From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDdk6ffBBoEHlcWDQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 14:19:46 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f148.google.com ([209.85.221.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBwrc-0005ZM-V4; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:45 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf1866643qyk.26 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q/+Ryp9/zGXp/RLIN9gbWqaYavasewS9U4148RDfIGM=; b=vGBYZCG/5rzr9PUF/tJAuymLFQmNpmuPpdgHHH3jbeKQCyhu5ZS3G2GgLwNLN4SO9G RctPSwMn2+PVW/xxuMyKZFnMl9buCxZeGXTYINySvwKCwWBWlNVugkV26vqvgCFyZi9k p/sd1fmkx87gkYAd72tgnoTNDSietVCyscClQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ww2BN/lQ53G/0F+EenMH3UpdWpONZSPGqkYbRouTPcewZlOPYy+XiGQG1naEuGenaE BYknoQquOzEjflaCg8+NqXByeyfGvM1gB3PE3DP5Wh3cbASbEjYEikVvqWo8oMhCdmjv lvyazMkiM2XuwGB8lVEAOgD5qSjyq+MAyGJm0= Received: by 10.229.106.3 with SMTP id v3mr414780qco.31.1273612765850; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls17545091qcb.0.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.187.140 with SMTP id cw12mr732891qcb.23.1273612763565; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.187.140 with SMTP id cw12mr732890qcb.23.1273612763516; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si1213091qyk.8.2010.05.11.14.19.22; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so1531079vws.19 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.81.81 with SMTP id w17mr4685989qck.4.1273612762202; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:19:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote: >>> Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like the {na} >>> interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} =3D {sei na mutce lo ka broda} >>> ends up meaning something useful. =A0If we take {cu'i} for {nutli}, the= n >>> we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useless. >> >> I think I would tend to read that as ((UI sai) cu'i) rather than as >> (UI (sai cu'i)). > > What do you mean, what difference would that make? Nevermind, "na" and "nutli" both give ((UI sai) cu'i), it's "na'e" that gives (UI (sai cu'i)). >> What about "UI cu'i cu'i"? Would the two cu'i cancel out in your scheme? > > I guess {ui cu'i cu'i} =3D "It's not that I'm not happy..." More like "sei no'e no'e gleki" than "sei na na gleki" =3D "sei gleki"? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.