From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCcl6ffBBoEH5LBkQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 14:27:15 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f148.google.com ([209.85.221.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBwyo-00063b-HN; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:27:15 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf1869738qyk.26 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vkCkgoUwfahdpRE0iIWiIGGcOINtEeYm7jEwFyvUQ3k=; b=kw7tvh1CgaWDlJOvPcljxbtF0oS3K6xU8ZpnFbu7psSHo5h5RwW6dl6UwItpGskwG7 tGKgwoFGoMcL7mA3gCTS1Df80XV0x13Zqmq/jvsXg0vx2v8F7gKL9WRjliJIX7R3o4nl QqcGGgA3Film62WMG/hPIMDjrzZ3btvW6vNe4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qH9JD1mIFbvZ8B4FjXlc0d5MIOeFYdTVamV0YYpzoDs6pZFb/bAHutMn3G7IzIysSh nJAoij04aGaO1762T0m4G4KGqgiv2B61WGCOU/I6rMWn8pRQyclDKWKh648L/aeTKE8c mICu04k42KKzB8zIYdio4/u4DIlDXgptb8SPA= Received: by 10.229.121.149 with SMTP id h21mr419822qcr.13.1273613212037; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls17566628qcb.0.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.13 with SMTP id do13mr739440qcb.11.1273613211160; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.13 with SMTP id do13mr739439qcb.11.1273613211117; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com (mail-vw0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1252594qyk.15.2010.05.11.14.26.50; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.45; Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so1382243vws.32 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.128.202 with SMTP id l10mr552528vcs.122.1273613209222; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:26:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:26:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887c4beabe770486582ead --e0cb4e887c4beabe770486582ead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that {na na broda} =3D {na broda}.... or maybe that was something= to do with answering {xu [na] broda} questions... 2010/5/11 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Daniel Brockman > wrote: > >>> Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like the {na} > >>> interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} =3D {sei na mutce lo ka broda} > >>> ends up meaning something useful. If we take {cu'i} for {nutli}, the= n > >>> we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useless. > >> > >> I think I would tend to read that as ((UI sai) cu'i) rather than as > >> (UI (sai cu'i)). > > > > What do you mean, what difference would that make? > > Nevermind, "na" and "nutli" both give ((UI sai) cu'i), it's "na'e" > that gives (UI (sai cu'i)). > > >> What about "UI cu'i cu'i"? Would the two cu'i cancel out in your schem= e? > > > > I guess {ui cu'i cu'i} =3D "It's not that I'm not happy..." > > More like "sei no'e no'e gleki" than "sei na na gleki" =3D "sei gleki"? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --e0cb4e887c4beabe770486582ead Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that {na na broda} =3D {na broda}.... or maybe that was something= to do with answering {xu [na] broda} questions...

2010/5/11 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5= :42 PM, Daniel Brockman
<daniel@gointeractive.se&= gt; wrote:
>>> Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like= the {na}
>>> interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} =3D {sei na mutce lo = ka broda}
>>> ends up meaning something useful. =A0If we take {cu'i} for= {nutli}, then
>>> we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useles= s.
>>
>> I think I would tend to read that as ((UI sai) cu'i) rather th= an as
>> (UI (sai cu'i)).
>
> What do you mean, what difference would that make?

Nevermind, "na" and "nutli" both give ((UI sai) c= u'i), it's "na'e"
that gives (UI (sai cu'i)).

>> What about "UI cu'i cu'i"? Would the two cu'= i cancel out in your scheme?
>
> I guess {ui cu'i cu'i} =3D "It's not that I'm not= happy..."

More like "sei no'e no'e gleki" than "sei na n= a gleki" =3D "sei gleki"?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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