From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDY-KvfBBoEQrQl2Q@googlegroups.com Wed May 12 12:07:27 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OCHH6-0002dP-G0; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:26 -0700 Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20sf162833wwd.16 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0Fv37RmX3EMcksgg7obQz/4JM3/G39cTE/5xXeieEUQ=; b=Ey3QvAYarMllmFeL38JBPX7iziTXUOrHtKpdeeeuMmnYiyefVYA2ZRwqJxBNIkOxbr O8GWvZ+HamPsLNKyge8C2OjpZ6Pp2ErQ3CTLxSG5kPZf1o0UUphf6La6cDhD+eq8qVqd LAaimV19GYDEzvt4FVsjU5rCL6zjb3ZfgYcs0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZXCLXyfdyKxl8QQccXd0+fn1ZI3ZPJ69ynGkf27v21AYPP9eXnsjmY8PsF4WxRK1T3 LT/txg/qxOT82claghhDr62a4GP1Ure4rurUvuwWmbOqJHZJSz13lk8nz3rnfQc9ItDO biGf5hHaEd0Mc8rnGPn2VkpSGa8tdirnCfgug= Received: by 10.223.5.144 with SMTP id 16mr954559fav.11.1273691224253; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.222 with SMTP id v72ls6853934wen.3.p; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.16.35 with SMTP id t35mr7794141ybi.19.1273691216263; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.16.35 with SMTP id t35mr7794138ybi.19.1273691216022; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f51.google.com (mail-gw0-f51.google.com [74.125.83.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s42si466189ybc.5.2010.05.12.12.06.54; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.51; Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so210567gwj.10 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.133.7 with SMTP id k7mr4752113ann.24.1273691205359; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:06:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] problem lujvo in {la .alis.} From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d26d87d9599904866a57ec --0016e6d26d87d9599904866a57ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for clearing those up for me. I have to double check my reference files. stevo 2010/5/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:47 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : > > These three lujvo from alis have components I can't find: > > jve : camri'ojvebla =3D carmi+crino+?+blanu =3D intense+green+?+blue > > "jve" is a rafsi for "je". > > > jiknu : xasyjiknu =3D xamsi+? =3D sea+? > > It should be "jukni". > > > zra : za'uzra =3D zargu+? =3D buttock+? > > "za'uzra" is a fu'ivla, because "zr" is not a valid initial. > > "cizra je za'uzra" was the translation of "curiouser and curiouser". > I've changed it to "cizra je ci'izra" in the revision I'm working on. > > > If they're wrong, what should they be? If they're right, what are the > > components, and what do they mean? > > > > These two have the same rafsi at the beginning (non want > > to verify that they're right. The words don't make much sense to me. > > non : nonkansa =3D no+kansa =3D 0+with > > In jvovlaste: > > nonkansa: "x1 is alone/lonely/lonesome in state/condition/enterprise x2" > > from "ko'a kansa be no da ko'e" > > > non : nonselsmu =3D no+se+smuni =3D 0+[1st conv]+meaning =3D 0+somethin= g with > > meaning > > In jbovlaste: > > nonselsmu: "x1 is nonsense/nonsensical to x2" > > from "ko'a selsmu no da ko'e" > > mi'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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Thanks for clearing those up for me.
I have to double check my reference files.
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stevo

2010/5/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:47 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> Th= ese three lujvo from alis have components I can't find:
> jve : c= amri'ojvebla=A0=3D carmi+crino+?+blanu=A0=3D intense+green+?+blue

"jve" is a rafsi for "je".

> jiknu = : xasyjiknu=A0=3D xamsi+?=A0=3D sea+?

It should be "jukni"= .

> zra : za'uzra=A0=3D zargu+?=A0=3D buttock+?<= br>
"za'uzra" is a fu'ivla, because "zr&quo= t; is not a valid initial.

"cizra je za'uzra" was the = translation of "curiouser and curiouser".
I've changed it to "cizra je ci'izra" in the revision I&#= 39;m working on.

> If they're wrong, what should they be? If th= ey're right, what are the
> components, and what do they mean?>
> These two have the same rafsi at the beginning (non<no = 9;0'), and I just want
> to verify that they're right. The words don't make much sense = to me.
> non : nonkansa=A0=3D no+kansa=A0=3D 0+with

In j= vovlaste:

nonkansa: "x1 is alone/lonely/lonesome in state/condi= tion/enterprise x2"

from "ko'a kansa be no da ko'e"

> non : nonselsmu=A0=3D no+se+smuni=A0=3D 0+[1st c= onv]+meaning =3D 0+something with
> meaning

In jbovlaste= :

nonselsmu: "x1 is nonsense/nonsensical to x2"

fro= m "ko'a selsmu no da ko'e"

mi'o mi'e xorxes

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