From lojban+bncCPieuJrRARD_tK3fBBoEvusPEQ@googlegroups.com Wed May 12 18:49:07 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OCNXq-0004lB-0W; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:49:06 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf152841pwi.16 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Q0wD6AxICptsJ77hK/YajqHqur1DXJunlBtmeUEPHk=; b=CCE/M9vRdV7xH0OIhNPVhPZpygXDkNP/UYRKe1+4mm8tY64OynXFwL9DBZdqoguhYD RlYPuGkMhMD5xThUf4HkPS70AV32cp6s8GpXz6udll2rYOPREfwocrbYh1KBLlE6Vxg8 8PdUpgztdNQ4hgT6jZ7YvHPYKUoWXTEgEVw/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M9KODK/OnN1u4x6QUc+TYtWZTsaYs8hodFxtnyApvZlaImwGreb6ePW0DBSy+wIDV4 E+TbqvFSH7IheCfpy2/eSgm9XpV8T8dqJA9b5Y4oKP0K7939acuFpK5ELnIVhbIAPDhf 5FzKrpcZ5Qpd7NzZTlG2kUMVPBAqeRx+i6h1c= Received: by 10.115.100.27 with SMTP id c27mr1144428wam.3.1273715327798; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.38.17 with SMTP id q17ls30018694waj.0.p; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.117.17 with SMTP id u17mr2226205wam.2.1273715326288; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.117.17 with SMTP id u17mr2226204wam.2.1273715326256; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f186.google.com (mail-pz0-f186.google.com [209.85.222.186]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si88332pzk.5.2010.05.12.18.48.45; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.186 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.222.186; Received: by pzk16 with SMTP id 16so487354pzk.22 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.23.16 with SMTP id a16mr5631353rvj.239.1273715325104; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.142.3 with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples From: purpleposeidon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.186 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=purpleposeidon@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: purpleposeidon@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xorxes, do you have a grammar containing all of your changes? I know that you've got a tense-simplification proposal on the Tiki. On 5/8/10, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Stela Selckiku wrot= e: >> Anyway, besides all these reform proposals :), there IS somewhere in >> the official grammar where cmevla don't lose their meaning: When >> attached into a lujvo with "zei". =A0And so that's one way I'd think to >> translate your sentence: >> >> =A0 =A0mi klama fu lo .opel. zei karce > > Yes, good point, or even: > > mi klama fu lo me zei .opel. > > if you feel that adding "karce" is unnecessary or redundant. > > The fact that we already can create the brivla "me zei ...." from any > cmevla is another indicator that cmevla should be brivla, like the > rest of open class words. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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