From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDnrrHfBBoEFYnHNg@googlegroups.com Thu May 13 12:48:09 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OCeO5-0003Ir-2W; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:48:09 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf657791qyk.1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VvJY9lFXF57fPtogmP9lbbRjzBDecH3Iiybak0H4qEE=; b=FVKlXXQjulXTvBpLqFStnfgPJVLnW0KASnXYoyFROzv0P5TjXedKkhsepuWLf9rGqk Pggtth8ecouHtKR1exM9NRERgtDzxZl+ZRcTp1OMhoSYxXNJumB91rWU1w94fyQ1vl7X +TO/HPmC40+nB8rDnLe5q2dh/wmzPaIuAPpWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IyNou2GeI9H0yffVziItPHAPxJTQsvn4rkcOsxt2YEla1f/TJkqawolpE2bhfc2r/u QUWxUlbgQw7A0nk+s4G0qvZSZbFxLeadtKfgmelwtITjSHvITtNwQLw57AYFIFF8uAa1 VHpyanwG4uZ4tscR1jIKw38ly2LYGjKQof/xo= Received: by 10.229.130.98 with SMTP id r34mr25884qcs.42.1273780071868; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls239735qcb.0.p; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.196 with SMTP id u4mr36865qcu.27.1273780070770; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.196 with SMTP id u4mr36864qcu.27.1273780070536; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si198189qyk.6.2010.05.13.12.47.49; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by mail-vw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 12so1571983vws.26 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.65.193 with SMTP id k1mr6613030qai.158.1273780068514; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:47:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:47:48 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > I'm quite willing to say that [na]cu'i/ru'e/sai/cai are context dependent= , > in the same way that "jai" or "bo" do different things in different > contexts. Not quite in the same way though. BO and JAI are purely structural, they add no meaning of their own, they only add structure to a text. On the other hand, selma'o CAI is purely semantic, not structural. (I understand why you might say that BO has more than one function, but why JAI? It always does the same thing: it changes the argument structure of the selbri by removing the x1 from first position and replacing it with a non-core argument.) >=A0 There is no reason why lojban can't have cmavo"idioms" that > aren't necessarily necessarily parseable in meaning by their components. > Lujvo, for example, already and explicitly are this. It's nice to minimize such cases though. > Some things are > already in common use, for example za'u roi Why is "more than once" not compositional? If you mean "za'u re'u", "a time after the first one", it also seems compositional to me. > =A0 This is probably heresy, though... Nothing wrong with heresy, as long as you don't mind the heat. It can get hot at those stakes. :) mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.