From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDhsbPfBBoE4lYuew@googlegroups.com Thu May 13 22:00:39 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f150.google.com ([209.85.221.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OCn0h-00064t-Ri; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:39 -0700 Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14sf14741qyk.26 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=ZmHq690yP3SLXrrh7xp8PZ8/Y3mrX5CWXrzvMDDmB3U=; b=XpQBhuSKumTCQLNBwDHwjrFmtFaZrRjn9uqT8s5LuMbTJ8bqsFVUF8az0jUmZSmeiI UNACQRbAp2xTlObRlHo3oO8AYXZattexwEMoiP4oWQElfgTfCbPb4YnAJXKfZa/1cpyx 7XHgPnT3Xj9bbQi/9VXgdr9HqaJ41bPYc7TQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HHcBQ+iXkVhVlVbF2Zh07pfSrK4ICrDIFyYb9FX9NCKHaDTIUrBsdNLNUG1gxwi34w Xv+Y18UFK7eyIgmxfkNJfYLsnMaIjzVtCnsPbz53Czot95q4/cTNgl1UJzsdmx+R54mD iFiPsNI0rJWsd3VJmpt/MLT+tKAxVfc63/n+8= Received: by 10.229.52.37 with SMTP id f37mr51603qcg.9.1273813217150; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls703165qcb.3.p; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.217.212 with SMTP id hn20mr82193qcb.15.1273813216228; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.217.212 with SMTP id hn20mr82192qcb.15.1273813216207; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si264593qyk.3.2010.05.13.22.00.15; Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6d7Ts9tzjFwCYLvIP9YziGU0x6Z20c+JxtSyo0GTZmg= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=JTmw8ksNVjuw4ngiXMYA:9 a=L3JMHTqe_I9FSi-iK46HMMkoKV8A:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:38278] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 00/C0-20538-FD8DCEB4; Fri, 14 May 2010 05:00:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B4457E2 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 01:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban dictionary Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:00:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4BECC801.7020203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4BECC801.7020203@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005140100.07543.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 13 May 2010 23:48:17 Leo Molas wrote: > coi rodo > > I've been working on a project for a couple of weeks, mostly for myself, > but it might be useful for the community. It's a dictionary, created in > LaTeX. Looks good! > TODO: > - I want to put the IPA representation in each word, since I can do it > automatically. Are you going to use the same allophone for all occurrences of a letter? Th= at=20 would seem pointless. Some phonemes have allophones, and I at least don't= =20 pronounce them the same way all the time: "n" can be [n] or [=C5=8B]. I usually pronounce it [=C5=8B] before "x", "g"= , and "k",=20 and [n] elsewhere, but for some words such as "tcunCIN" I make an exception= . "r" can be any of several rhotics. I usually tap or roll it except when it'= s=20 consonantal, in which case it's like English "burble", or preceded by "x", = in=20 which case both sounds come out as simultaneous uvular and alveolar trills= =20 distinguished only by voice. I've met people at jbovlaste who don't roll=20 their r's. "'" can be [h] or [=CE=B8]. I say [h] in all words except sometimes "fu'ark= a"=20 (and "fu'orka", which is a variant thereof). I've heard that some people us= e =20 [=CE=B8] generally, but I don't remember if I've met them. Pierre --=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.