From lojban+bncCM-P6d3GHBD7s7XfBBoE-WBwIg@googlegroups.com Fri May 14 07:11:27 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OCvbl-0000je-81; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:26 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf2077353gxk.4 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=H+R8Ekj+zG4BtbuGSy1W9wJnENFU2JVEhb2OjoEJ+0w=; b=2AZbQicJY61WoYWan0s+0orP3Tjx3l4bUhBUC4GAkut7mT3u4I8D8Mr+mVCnLHiQEX 8MgsCRxivi8VWNwpD27G1o872WGnF5ocEEsRsKRX68w+syaBO2WPtkNc7s44vfrVptRn YQytwp7YV2Lp7WkDfLJhaB4zxlWigFbw+ROrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=xE2BwirlSKos6LnZRNYQwlTL5KfGywMBcZbsFuuojKQcU7kFnx+74r14cQ7TGYPhK0 ozkue9z7h1tycpK7HQub4LpeEDlutK0p0RM3CcXw3y3hQuzJXsuNFqMSQt8lh13SqyRo wpmBft+jRLTMPvhzyz9U0xgnxlyjMyCzYKqko= Received: by 10.101.175.14 with SMTP id c14mr60560anp.34.1273846267485; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.145.32 with SMTP id x32ls1381785ann.0.p; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.154.3 with SMTP id g3mr295336ano.46.1273846266398; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.154.3 with SMTP id g3mr295334ano.46.1273846266353; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f199.google.com (mail-yx0-f199.google.com [209.85.210.199]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si270794ywh.13.2010.05.14.07.11.05; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of leos.molas@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.199 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.199; Received: by yxe37 with SMTP id 37so1178793yxe.21 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.134.6 with SMTP id l6mr1608967ann.50.1273846263692; Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([190.97.37.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m39sm2308695ann.1.2010.05.14.07.11.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BED59FD.5060404@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:11:09 -0300 From: Leo Molas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban dictionary References: <4BECC801.7020203@gmail.com> <201005140100.07543.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: <201005140100.07543.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA768FAF468965D4549B9E22A" X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of leos.molas@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.199 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=leos.molas@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: leos.molas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA768FAF468965D4549B9E22A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El 14/05/2010 02:00 a.m., Pierre Abbat escribi=C3=B3: > On Thursday 13 May 2010 23:48:17 Leo Molas wrote: >> coi rodo >> >> I've been working on a project for a couple of weeks, mostly for mysel= f, >> but it might be useful for the community. It's a dictionary, created i= n >> LaTeX. >=20 > Looks good! >=20 >> TODO: >> - I want to put the IPA representation in each word, since I can do i= t >> automatically. >=20 > Are you going to use the same allophone for all occurrences of a letter= ? That=20 > would seem pointless. Some phonemes have allophones, and I at least don= 't=20 > pronounce them the same way all the time: > "n" can be [n] or [=C5=8B]. I usually pronounce it [=C5=8B] before "x",= "g", and "k",=20 > and [n] elsewhere, but for some words such as "tcunCIN" I make an excep= tion. > "r" can be any of several rhotics. I usually tap or roll it except when= it's=20 > consonantal, in which case it's like English "burble", or preceded by "= x", in=20 > which case both sounds come out as simultaneous uvular and alveolar tri= lls=20 > distinguished only by voice. I've met people at jbovlaste who don't rol= l=20 > their r's. > "'" can be [h] or [=CE=B8]. I say [h] in all words except sometimes "fu= 'arka"=20 > (and "fu'orka", which is a variant thereof). I've heard that some peopl= e use =20 > [=CE=B8] generally, but I don't remember if I've met them. >=20 > Pierre The idea was to automatically create the IPA representation with the most common pronuntiations, and have a chapter in the book explaining how to pronounce lojban (like "'" can be [h] or [=CE=B8], or in long consonants cluster you can put "i"'s in the middle). Anyway, the main idea of showing this to you was getting feedback, and if you say it's pointless, fair enough. I actually don't need IPA; it was just to make the dictionary homogeneous to others in others languages= =2E --=20 My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com --------------enigA768FAF468965D4549B9E22A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL7VoHAAoJEGPqAjdF26uEtr8H/jwZwlnrmq37aK8rf3c472kP vt8fdKvg3sfSod4mHdoIJoIXa/VN0fkTIPe2f0fyoJvlXNtYS4FWHCyUtiGV1fWG YzrXw8KhWz6N2UvffgjtbcKH//Zs/l8L1816bKrVWTqMcn5eRN0x3pM7ePmlvEAQ Y+usNapmlIbznOhE+3BIPdkI9uRwWFExZagypetok6TKxdWqZLY78c1mcGDjc52S nbgIgUkQ9Y+vRVbUFad7QlWKWXXDeDeyi2clDct//9ryScCsj5lx3bYs/EpCYpa7 /6E5iQi+tJwROTt8HeL0rlhMn6rSTPBZHeMVzDx3cEyj+SEfde5AodUkTAmXQrk= =Twvd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA768FAF468965D4549B9E22A--