From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCFjrbfBBoES8w3qw@googlegroups.com Fri May 14 10:23:35 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OCybi-0003jl-LL; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:35 -0700 Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21sf3689pvc.16 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fNv1KJhhy/9ThAPVb6IjzXJxxkpg+dbVgIfZ0f1D6Ys=; b=F1lLVbE37rJ2X0/93z3CaBXt5ChylFANazAxDH9J5ptAIHvkRUgXJ0khKvvhc1dAA0 ndMaGdM2OmKbz0HcNgp+Lm8lLjCWSxaHZjJG92HYh0KxONEmA1nxS8n5EM8UEfEdjtbr J/DJl6sPva71spM/fEPw6bqRcOWPFY9QiMEzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=fXoAzqzUYLdN5niInbv7S2vU2kQGeNUUmxn3aGaYsp2sckibxQ6oxyLpFPKfHxV53B imRx83Tcak1IpJzMpY7OObYYFl6ggtCjGZ1jnyA7opT4M+T7oa6PuiEOwOany211Xsym I5rILQqIAMgI8xPVLiKcGjkyWWrtiaIhf+8X4= Received: by 10.142.248.16 with SMTP id v16mr86826wfh.14.1273857797087; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.250.36 with SMTP id x36ls2998451wfh.2.p; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr466631wfh.15.1273857795119; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr466630wfh.15.1273857795064; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com (mail-vw0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 23si2264wfa.0.2010.05.14.10.23.12; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so1146081vws.11 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.122.8 with SMTP id j8mr793658vcr.35.1273857770078; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005132229.51889.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:22:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] JAI/BO was: Attitudinal scales From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c92b92e144170486911f43 --001636c92b92e144170486911f43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand this usage (jai selbri) but the other usage (jai BAI/jai PU/jai X) confuses the crap out of me no matter how many times it has been explained to me. If someone would be willing to explain it in simple (read: stupid people) terms I will put my greatest effort into understanding it again. I can say with some certainty that it is/will be the last piece of lojban grammar for me to "get" On May 14, 2010 12:51 PM, "Daniel Brockman" wrote: > I think "jai selbri" is equivalent to "jai do'e selbri". No, it's more specific that that. It switches some unspecified place from *inside* the original x1 (which must be an abstraction), into x1. i mi jai rinka lo nu do tcidu dei I am part of the cause of you reading this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To po... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636c92b92e144170486911f43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I understand this usage (jai selbri) but the other usage (jai BAI/jai PU= /jai X) confuses the crap out of me no matter how many times it has been ex= plained to me.

If someone would be willing to explain it in simple (read: stupid people= ) terms I will put my greatest effort into understanding it again.

I can say with some certainty that it is/will be the last piece of lojba= n grammar for me to "get"

On May 14, 2010 12:51 PM, "Daniel Brockma= n" <daniel@brockman.se>= ; wrote:

> I think "jai selbri&qu= ot; is equivalent to "jai do'e selbri".

No, it's more specific that that. =A0It switches some unspec= ified place
from *inside* the original x1 (which must be an abstraction), into x1.

=A0 =A0i mi jai rinka lo nu do tcidu dei

=A0 =A0I am part of the cause of you reading this.


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