From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC-3LbfBBoEjBBLYg@googlegroups.com Fri May 14 13:11:03 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f165.google.com ([209.85.222.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OD1Dm-0004kD-UW; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:11:03 -0700 Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37sf798771pzk.25 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BUCn9820+3uyfmhYfY4wvJf+2xq22Jdr8fIGJ7Ko+ns=; b=lezUn514yHFawc6RE79X8eHZcc//SkdLv9yGiIO8gMwAHYUdq1NaVazL9j+9MDaqfX Qet+B+2UsOdXtNL3gsB+Kn4nf8yLscKeZwJLMfNTWG7bAfAvbXmLD+DMhNVJSs6ACr/w KOiDWK24133kPtksKaE3iuCMgO/DYSuc8spYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=VXJkVsX2Ql20Byus2ZtXSxOurZkrZqVOpvhRK4U0S5BhEMSDSlShKaTUlE2gLl3R+7 Q/EZCjm1g1e76pSdhrV71kbWZeiEo5FA5m0oTtEZoGS92uH9H2454AQR74+53KwC6hxt grdbE+GD/jM0Dfm7l2Ow04578RVKi72RnrIsI= Received: by 10.143.20.32 with SMTP id x32mr109506wfi.17.1273867838180; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.248.9 with SMTP id v9ls3445276wfh.1.p; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.59.16 with SMTP id h16mr519036wfa.18.1273867836828; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.59.16 with SMTP id h16mr519035wfa.18.1273867836737; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u10si4027367wak.6.2010.05.14.13.10.35; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so238429vws.20 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.123.137 with SMTP id p9mr786763vcr.236.1273867834720; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005132229.51889.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] JAI/BO was: Attitudinal scales From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68def27c782ad04869377f5 --0016e68def27c782ad04869377f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oooooooh. It basically does exactly the same thing as jai selbri but marks the aditional information of the x1 being a sumti of type BAI. Errr wait. So does {lo jbobau jai bau tavla} = {tavla bau lo jbobau} or something else like {lo ibobau cu tavla} where the x1 of tavla now means something like {fi'o bangu}? (wasn't sure how to express that fully in lojban without using jai again. Now that I think I understand tagged jai (for the 8th time), is there a formal definition of it IN lojban? i.e. if you wanted to re-write {le jbobau cu jai bau tavla} without using jai how would you (assuming it's even possible) On May 14, 2010 3:56 PM, "Daniel Brockman" wrote: The {jai BAI} syntax is even easier: it just switches the BAI place into x1: i lo glico cu jai bau casnu la lojban = i bau lo glico cu casnu la lojban English is the language of discussion about Lojban. 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Oooooooh.=A0 It basically does exactly the same thing as jai selbri but = marks the aditional information of the x1 being a sumti of type BAI.

Errr wait.=A0 So does {lo jbobau jai bau tavla} =3D {tavla bau lo jbobau= } or something else like {lo ibobau cu tavla} where the x1 of tavla now mea= ns something like {fi'o bangu}?=A0 (wasn't sure how to express that= fully in lojban without using jai again.=A0

Now that I think I understand tagged jai (for the 8th time), is there a = formal definition of it IN lojban?=A0 i.e.=A0 if you wanted to re-write {le= jbobau cu jai bau tavla} without using jai how would you (assuming it'= s even possible)

On May 14, 2010 3:56 PM, "Daniel Brockman= " <daniel@brockman.se>= wrote:

The {jai BAI} syntax is even easier: it just switches the BA= I place into x1:

=A0 =A0i lo glico cu jai bau casnu la lojban
=A0 =A0=3D i bau lo glico cu casnu la lojban
=A0 =A0English is the language of discussion about Lojban.

The original x1 ends up in the place tagged by {fai}:

=A0 =A0i lo glico cu jai bau casnu la lojban fai mi'o
=A0 =A0English is the language in which we discuss Lojban.


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