From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDT4rbfBBoECUUUmQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 14 13:24:09 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OD1QP-0005Fa-RE; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:24:09 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf211027wye.16 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=X4mKZxcRK/E1ejNY+vpRVoejCh7v1j/ZJ+46/M6m1BM=; b=6xO+hKeT9tNn1BIZkRyh9fUmPgNAL3R7bARWP/K3OZdFXWxla+kNw4IqBpQiuNpKw9 4dKCWF9FG9eQwd1laN4iFMOW0WddlGYc1gOiyAS+fOxtZXZPrm7Y5vjdmRU08J4CB+dv WMaXPiitu2mR/P0SzHD0c7MznILe0wCVz59IA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=1vViwCnDwowOPB2ioYKLwv+SEu570ywEm3fpd3aKGtaDASFidqE1n/wkHP1k2y3+ES FzRQ1Jh/25tEDkRWQMFvXRQUiM1qBapISh9eWKhKcLY/FVxoqrNX7vhelrlYlYK5Ae20 xaLWI10r4svstX3UifuLp2TbE2E7rhktUHiCo= Received: by 10.223.6.193 with SMTP id a1mr315450faa.21.1273868627060; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.147.144 with SMTP id l16ls4277830fav.3.p; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.34.86 with SMTP id k22mr163000fad.21.1273868626016; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.34.86 with SMTP id k22mr162999fad.21.1273868625982; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f50.google.com (mail-vw0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g17si2136834fai.2.2010.05.14.13.23.44; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so1211569vws.9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.250.17 with SMTP id mm17mr463447qcb.157.1273868624058; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:23:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote= : > >=A0The thing about {za'u re'u} is it suggests {za'u so'i re'u}. > It does apply to any time other than the first time, but is *usually* use= d > to indicate that something happens again after relatively many times. I don't know. I would have thought using it for the second time was about as common as for all other times combined. And probably the same for "again". Would you not naturally use "again" for the second time something happens? > When a tanru gets to become too lexicalized, turn it into a lujvo so > that tanru space can remain as compositional as possible. lujvo are not just lexicalized tanru. In fact there should be no connection between lujvo and tanru. Unfortunately, lujvo are taught as "coming from an underlying tanru", but they don't really come from a tanru. The place structure of a lujvo is usually rather different from that of any tanru one might want to associate with it. The only connection between a lujvo and a tanru might be with respect to the x1 of each, but all else is in general different. > By the way, I think it may be a good idea to have an escape hatch for > this kind of lexicalization. =A0A way to say, "interpret this composition= ally." > Preferably as a UI. =A0Then we would get "interpret this lexically" for f= ree. There's "pe'a", although that's not exactly what you're talking about. > For example: ZEI is "interpret this tanru lexically". =A0But how do we sa= y > "do not interpret this tanru lexically"? I wouldn't say that's what ZEI is. What would be an example of a lexical interpretation of a tanru? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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