From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCu7bbfBBoE5JdIow@googlegroups.com Fri May 14 13:46:59 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f150.google.com ([209.85.221.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OD1mX-0006Ox-B8; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:58 -0700 Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14sf490820qyk.26 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=5BXeXNh/P9WZU+WYTNr3JqoblsgldgYYo3Y82LUvth4=; b=5gPZWDBFbftxGGkEGiXaKdtknJE+N643Hy+rI6wgPTctWUyZrWgngBNVzz1g2FPmwC UWELYEXC3m3Si6mraf32vVz31Krsse2PTlU8jK6NMgfI6OYOd4EWp8fX7zhRVXvFCzH9 3XlRaP3HewZrkxkfWCgYPy4Q5nFTbap6Fm76Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=j/K6zrIZyH7zl0m+0eAm58ZdO55L2pRPNwcZouXnQLDXIKSaYNuaMlCwqhZ7mdzNva zbQn6Ek4KngvD9HJ25ax3VapIC8L1FcQZKfVf9ZvGl/IK0x1PAz0eUUL2kMEZ5GDDY5e 5F+bh+VDWy5Utu59deK1jcKefKfQb3lP4kyCs= Received: by 10.229.10.211 with SMTP id q19mr118381qcq.14.1273869998847; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls2003131qcb.0.p; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.221.131 with SMTP id ic3mr99561qcb.27.1273869997741; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.221.131 with SMTP id ic3mr99560qcb.27.1273869997718; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si368347qyk.5.2010.05.14.13.46.36; Fri, 14 May 2010 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6d7Ts9tzjFwCYLvIP9YziGU0x6Z20c+JxtSyo0GTZmg= c=1 sm=0 a=CduTy8nATXAA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=IfNv_hvv-QSzspu_ABcA:9 a=ONmei_OdsVRcGP8-ydiI-YhqXAUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:53932] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 61/C5-20538-CA6BDEB4; Fri, 14 May 2010 20:46:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E21A217 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] JAI/BO was: Attitudinal scales Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:46:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005141646.25573.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 14 May 2010 15:55:50 Daniel Brockman wrote: > The {jai BAI} syntax is even easier: it just switches the BAI place into > x1: > > i lo glico cu jai bau casnu la lojban > = i bau lo glico cu casnu la lojban > English is the language of discussion about Lojban. > > The original x1 ends up in the place tagged by {fai}: > > i lo glico cu jai bau casnu la lojban fai mi'o > English is the language in which we discuss Lojban. {jai} is similar to the passive, with {fai} corresponding to "by": *In English is discussed Lojban by us. English has a dative-passive (which in Lojban is {te}, using {dunda} as the selbri, and doesn't use {fai}), but no language-passive, so the above sentence sounds weird in English. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.