From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDyxcHfBBoE-EgPwg@googlegroups.com Sun May 16 14:26:34 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ODlLt-0003Kl-RX; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:34 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf3293574gwj.16 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BFBX802Z2wuauzCvh4OMaironYQW1WKdPImclybS+P0=; b=T3NRw7OXhg1LumH1kZE5Wr1n9WFL71hUjz7AggYg0cZRrZ2daTPfod0svjnib9eke4 AXvM6E8m6ddxZu39ivIFO33diC47Caza/gnPhsiptd25lBt07sm40tPTYJS3FeViSpSK hdxEPHzEd28eDoCFv5IEN2UsgX3SmwtYHA2X4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=4XJUXqYhRFYfHr5CBcSKId+/k1GCx7ALIwocLvTOXYKoCSIR2Saqw0/GOCFAPLCGwn 31OZhi5nd44C1KTCnOc/RCw8RaWRPbTP1Th8tZurwDn3lk7Fo+Of8hjauWA0FUwmBYUy GvWg0qpMRnmS3/WOBZbYgW1herHgQCsHxEPtc= Received: by 10.101.29.33 with SMTP id g33mr161045anj.11.1274045170742; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.11.8 with SMTP id o8ls2252127ani.6.p; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.15.21 with SMTP id 21mr1262399ano.0.1274045170025; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.15.21 with SMTP id 21mr1262397ano.0.1274045169989; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.221.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si525043ywh.2.2010.05.16.14.26.08; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.179; Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so6534586qyk.2 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.106.229 with SMTP id y37mr2252418qao.176.1274045167145; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Sun, 16 May 2010 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:26:07 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:21 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 15 May 2010 23:12, Daniel Brockman wrote: >> >> That {za'u re'u} is used as if it meant {za'u tu'o re'u}. > > Yes, I agree. And I see {za'u tu'o re'u} as the default meaning of {za'u > re'u}. "tu'o" is the PA equivalent of "zi'o", used to fill a place when the syntax requires an argument and the semantics require that there be no argument. What could "za'u tu'o" mean? Maybe you're thinking of "no'o" rather than "tu'o"? "za'u re'u" means "za'u pa re'u", i.e. "re re'u ja ci re'u ja vo re'u ja mu re'u ja ..." I don't think "za'u re'u" gives any hint at all as to which time it is, other than explicitly excluding it being the first one. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.