From lojban+bncCOzcnrWBFBDT68HfBBoEza5lgA@googlegroups.com Sun May 16 15:47:06 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ODmbp-00087z-Pw; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:47:05 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf3030210gyd.16 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1ZGlM/9KuBEWNdW4dzdYHeKm0W2y+D50wleIP510eI0=; b=rohseepWuHaaKC05glXhVEhtomVI2O1uVrCs6csCeUDeK5Wgaj/3+WgLIBER8FTR7K 4lJXWbQ1VUJT6HDog7IGVjI9gT2ydIKC5J+4DoJWZffy0CrOPd5yUjpFSw56FpwLXvfG 8QsRYFIuBlij9spVeldPgl5u8pFPlD5x7B1ao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=3hY60VTPXDUASojn0H1OYyOiC5NBWfqkUJUcaxQOfiudAKqLF1eZyzAr9gnqf+yVUT k7DtHhuP40gMJ1aj6FnZyaIn0/N2uYsPJifnTpDGlFEkn17utkX8+PBpuNkxSa/L6XTC LckTDMmrRfrH+QhpgDcoSWKbZ7/CMwJAwfk1k= Received: by 10.91.182.17 with SMTP id j17mr274381agp.25.1274050003008; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6ls1599359agl.0.p; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.41.36 with SMTP id o36mr2417839ago.8.1274050002430; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.41.36 with SMTP id o36mr2417837ago.8.1274050002351; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com (mail-qy0-f192.google.com [209.85.221.192]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si440066yxe.13.2010.05.16.15.46.41; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.192 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.192; Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so7224513qyk.16 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.62.39 with SMTP id v39mr2334037qah.114.1274049999902; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.42.202 with HTTP; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:46:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.192 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pascal.akihiko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f99e637abdd730486bde17f --00c09f99e637abdd730486bde17f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/5/16 Jorge Llamb=EDas > "tu'o" is the PA equivalent of "zi'o", used to fill a place when the > syntax requires an argument and the semantics require that there be no > argument. What could "za'u tu'o" mean? Maybe you're thinking of "no'o" > rather than "tu'o"? > I wasn't too sure "no'o"s sense of "typical/average value" would apply to every case. In a case where "za'u re'u" means "za'u so re'u" for example, I don't see why the numbers from "pa" to "so" (the set of numerals less than ten) would represent "typical/average" values. "tu'o" seemed more aptly generic to me. I thought "tu'o" was more like "zo'e" than "zi'o". "tu'o"s definition: non-specific/elliptical number. This doesn't necessarily mean a non-existin= g value, does it? Does "pa so so tu'o" mean "199[no number]" or "199[unspecific number]"? I think the latter. Hence "1990s", in my opinion. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f99e637abdd730486bde17f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/5/16 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
"tu'o" is the PA equivalent of "zi'o", used to = fill a place when the
syntax requires an argument and the semantics require that there be no
argument. What could "za'u tu'o" mean? Maybe you're t= hinking of "no'o"
rather than "tu'o"?

I wasn't too= sure "no'o"s sense of "typical/average value" woul= d apply to every case. In a case where "za'u re'u" means = "za'u so re'u" for example, I don't see why the numbe= rs from "pa" to "so" (the set of numerals less than ten= ) would represent "typical/average" values. "tu'o" = seemed more aptly generic to me.

I thought "tu'o" was more like "zo'e" than = "zi'o". "tu'o"s definition: non-specific/ellipt= ical number. This doesn't necessarily mean a non-existing value, does i= t? Does "pa so so tu'o" mean "199[no number]" or &q= uot;199[unspecific number]"? I think the latter. Hence "1990s&quo= t;, in my opinion.

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