From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDh_sPfBBoENKANMg@googlegroups.com Mon May 17 01:34:00 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f156.google.com ([209.85.221.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ODvlo-0000yp-6t; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:34:00 -0700 Received: by qyk28 with SMTP id 28sf11656906qyk.27 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:33:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:message-id:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=N6+nafLDzB7L1TnxMrk7r9dVJHqrszm26B8cfl5nXeM=; b=McySz25fAc4DeZLFLRDP/GqVcUVDGBVXaWX76nWx5F0XeGs0Wbve3LDH+Qhc5VoyZX i+w7fAZOHkqtiwgGnyMHj6Pbk3advAGacJf5isQmSdnqOQgP8/axgVyl3btvEqhGLBk+ AqHTI6LytZ0rAxiAwukNNxvsQTKXxGt675KyY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=SRXML2iV/txc+atetPyjGZptYblbliNe8C0Boc+yA0mA4CRBJN6WaYSXMfBDGEMRiN seKz7u+4CUu00ZXawSXtin1nBDhpNicEYyiVd4b7U2XUsqbbbnJpOe3y+TZfxx+F+Es1 cEh6N6WeHSlkeMtpS5XMo19AdHB8lGFHjYudg= Received: by 10.229.62.15 with SMTP id v15mr412624qch.30.1274085217564; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls2212089qcb.3.p; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.251.3 with SMTP id mq3mr378270qcb.0.1274085214428; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.251.3 with SMTP id mq3mr378269qcb.0.1274085214369; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si679750qyk.5.2010.05.17.01.33.33; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=QScKf0zhPmZcRjivOyb7jDoODMGTUEf/LonvbVIdJao= c=1 sm=0 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=axDLF4JMAAAA:8 a=Kr6x3tMu82KpPOR9_xMA:9 a=QkS8hAJvwNRqhqvqUFySqbWbX_MA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:53490] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id D4/E7-23695-D5FF0FB4; Mon, 17 May 2010 08:33:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32392ACF for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 04:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] The buffer vowel is not a vowel Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 04:32:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005170432.51193.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline I was browsing Wikipedia and found the article on Tashlhiyt, a Berber language. This language has sequences of consonants such as "tntlttnt" and "tgr". An article linked from Wikipedia explores the nature of the vocoid that sometimes intrudes between these consonants. It turns out to be not a schwa, but a result of mistiming of articulation so that there is a space between two consonants. http://issp2008.loria.fr/Proceedings/PDF/issp2008-104.pdf Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.