From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCH28_fBBoEYCd4wA@googlegroups.com Wed May 19 06:54:37 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OEjjC-0007Zt-De; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:36 -0700 Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18sf385446wwb.16 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=R1Y2bcqe0Zdesqgb+ejoU9qbm25cZFLCAsB53ra7joM=; b=33NzhdEHt0pMIpBTMR115CKioJFSSccVWFyEW7Cm2EhlCzYmlwhff5efI/WBCa+Pqn h9vxTaSISCpof7b25zZ4Zn9/bLfmSakVYF1hoy4NysiX1MxB/GXh8EUytw/RiF36gKIM AN0VeA6FBHFPcn2B6mmIyu5skpkCyd7F7xusc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=M1sGne7kTQ2cwvMYyyU7h8xQloiLhI7+hJaagH/3AhDHvhr3kNUAIeDIsQID6hAkdq hSwyVYssHF+AjnEEpQMuw7CroltHNoI9Ha7MoOQZ0wncIqWBBspI57Mc8718VTsiMidU s/pU2AsZqZ+j6pa2lTfex8QNPyfVgOndrJ1j0= Received: by 10.223.62.145 with SMTP id x17mr1125097fah.13.1274277255204; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls241080bkd.2.p; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.78 with SMTP id e14mr75272bkt.4.1274277252874; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.78 with SMTP id e14mr75271bkt.4.1274277252833; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h3si3020550bke.4.2010.05.19.06.54.11; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by mail-vw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 9so3725541vws.19 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.108.106 with SMTP id e42mr4374113vcp.219.1274277250448; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 06:54:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100518160715.GA6617@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 09:54:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f905c77dbbfd10486f2ca8c --00c09f905c77dbbfd10486f2ca8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> So this change assumes dotside in order to work, right? > > No, not at all. They are two separate issues. Really? But if that's the case, how would one interpret {la bil cu citka l= o plise} without dotside there to keep {la} from eating up the whole thing as a cmene? As you said earlier: > "la plipe klupe clupa" is one name, the meaning of the internal tanru is not relevant to that. How do you keep {la} from just sucking everything up into a name without dotside? Can {ku} terminate {la}? Is there some rule that gismu can be part of a name but cmavo can't (making {cu} the {la} killer)? 2010/5/19 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > So this change assumes dotside in order to work, right? > > No, not at all. They are two separate issues. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f905c77dbbfd10486f2ca8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> So this change as= sumes dotside in order to work, right?
>
> No, not at all. = They are two separate issues.

Really? =A0But if = that's the case, how would one interpret {la bil cu citka lo plise} wit= hout dotside there to keep {la} from eating up the whole thing as a cmene?<= div>
As you said earlier:
>=A0"la plipe kl= upe clupa" is one=A0name, the meaning of the internal tanru is not rel= evant to that.

How do you keep {la} from just sucking everything up into a = name without dotside? =A0Can {ku} terminate {la}? =A0Is there some rule tha= t gismu can be part of a name but cmavo can't (making {cu} the {la} kil= ler)?

2010/5/19 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com&= gt;
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> So this change assumes dotside in order to work, right?

No, not at all. They are two separate issues.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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