From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCT38_fBBoE0AZ2pw@googlegroups.com Wed May 19 07:03:22 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OEjrc-0005pc-Rf; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:03:21 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf6146809gwj.16 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lkc1ihtX3Itdy49IxsaccnFNFGOojkc19cLv7EXJnXY=; b=zYv8MCDva5CdAeePff2JXcjEXrN82gI1TLGrI0v4W4KyNWEMMsfzsm/Nns+OUlnPWf L91USgjh0YwR/rk4KOjY3M/xmbO6vpGogZGZgcBmCf2K2wT97+zO2NLxZu8jro64pbg3 BR3eCEg6b7Kq2pTG5LSVhkpOpjypftyep4N/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=2lcClyZfTOg1UKXXApGbWTksjrMQIVyCu7Eqv/nM9xXVMo9BS/9JU4ZDAkW4n7MJ7B LWJfyoyL4B+IwTiljg33+WDlHlBAJ55lLJotzxaoOoc+MMhZ+PtVwOWJaDLnaP4ORdQq uUs50bxsuIQGNFQvmPVbQszkKmYX5WpHnDEww= Received: by 10.101.142.34 with SMTP id u34mr341933ann.57.1274277779318; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.11.8 with SMTP id o8ls3058980ani.6.p; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.4.9 with SMTP id g9mr2547366ani.23.1274277778118; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.4.9 with SMTP id g9mr2547364ani.23.1274277778060; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si736108gxk.4.2010.05.19.07.02.57; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.171; Received: by mail-qy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 1so10421846qyk.5 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.238.5 with SMTP id kq5mr1249332qcb.166.1274277776403; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100518160715.GA6617@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:02:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : >>> So this change assumes dotside in order to work, right? >> >> No, not at all. They are two separate issues. > Really? =A0But if that's the case, how would one interpret {la bil cu cit= ka lo > plise} without dotside there to keep {la} from eating up the whole thing = as > a cmene? What "la" "eats up" is either a selbri or a string of cmevla. With the change, it would just eat up a selbri (a string of cmevla would be just another type of selbri). This has nothing to do with dotside. > As you said earlier: >>=A0"la plipe klupe clupa" is one=A0name, the meaning of the internal tanr= u is >> not relevant to that. > > How do you keep {la} from just sucking everything up into a name without > dotside? =A0Can {ku} terminate {la}? =A0Is there some rule that gismu can= be > part of a name but cmavo can't (making {cu} the {la} killer)? Besides the special case of cmevla, the rules for LA are exactly the same as for LE, yes. With the change, cmevla would no longer be a special case. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.