From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBD48ojfBBoEYUQ44w@googlegroups.com Wed May 05 20:37:51 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O9ruF-0008HF-6Z; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:51 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf240077gxk.4 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nDQroYv0jO5v6W6hVhwvFe5EAIWiQzbaHoDLmZ0NV3U=; b=YK2EhxU2A4Yz7qkhIyGF0MRfxc8BoKdJIBbVFT7Aa+AgtbVQ1w0hrJfe3hIb9pIm11 PJyFLMA8mbic0DP6Ry+UfCle8fFYMOWQ8DkT8//lIZI0y4V9cmFtDE6gkHOBnZiaew/q 3XYH5VzvDdwnf3W1eUuFHweM8m63hSVCcUhmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=OkEVELYC9RF3xEZWCb6lz7pCjpfki1hOJKyFkVY0wKtwp1XYoaDqH2RTkFRiotTA1d pjW2yxy1WfzqzwDLeKbkiIvcBiEcaWWF0CZTmsbrea+e/u1+Z/WYs34H3KjL+sr4mpD2 iHoD+juYT4fIB9QL8W8ujzdMQlcf/Tiyew6N8= Received: by 10.100.244.5 with SMTP id r5mr652737anh.72.1273117048132; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.149.35 with SMTP id b35ls3280659ano.5.p; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.245.15 with SMTP id s15mr1651254anh.59.1273117047329; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.245.15 with SMTP id s15mr1651252anh.59.1273117047216; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k1si893850ani.5.2010.05.05.20.37.26; Wed, 05 May 2010 20:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.46; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100506033725.JNRK18026.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 5 May 2010 23:37:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id E3dS1e0052hfrC6023dSCB; Wed, 05 May 2010 23:37:26 -0400 X-VR-Score: -80.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jEzMdEw2P4Psx6Pryhsn8ZKvN9MLoXbl3lyS2U/sgqI= c=1 sm=1 a=lTnEy8ucIPgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=Purz0770QcLVGreQv48A:9 a=eVlWvMluwX_sPZ9HVU4lU7spRYYA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=YQDnfhU8cnGSu6Hm:21 a=aQsVHEdJCrdCYiuZ:21 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BE2396F.2000003@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 23:37:19 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Comparison to Ilaksh? References: <4BE21192.5090804@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Danny Piccirillo wrote: > Wikipedia has a section of comparisons to other languages. It > lists Voksigid which seems to be fairly different. Voksigid actually started out as an effort to invent a language that didn't have certain "flaws" in Lojban perceived by the guy who proposed it. Likewise gua-spi is historically tied to Lojban and thus warrants some comparison on that basis. I myself with Athelstan did a comparison with Esperanto, because of certain oft-repeated claims about that language that related to Lojban's claims. But Ilaksh's inventor seems to make no claims at all related to Lojban, and I have no reason to believe he ever heard of Lojban. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Comparison_with_other_logical_languages Where is there a claim that Ilaksh is a "logical language"? The word "rational" is used somewhere in the description, but the way it is used, it seems merely to mean "designed" and tries to follow rules, not that it has anything to do with "logic" per se. Most artificial languages are "rational" in that sense, but relatively few are claimed to be "logical". lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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