From lojban+bncCN3Yu8CaCRDGkYvfBBoEfiJShQ@googlegroups.com Thu May 06 06:49:18 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f144.google.com ([209.85.210.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OA1Rv-00011N-Q7; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:49:17 -0700 Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8sf5598860yxe.25 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vDikc7TDaKhDrIkFMxipwpzTlZ4lBUvaCZH0mgZKdBo=; b=EoWrZ0UFcSBZ7wdH9n/AakqMeef+ZiZlLRDiq4DhJ02LVkRfCvvwM1gHb/ALxhvbfE FLq0/vTjTyEr1Mi+oLhM32g7/aCyxsQdCfGi21uX4GexHPCTabOQPSM27NBbBsqhg0aj 38l9ji79CqgUJBcwwWfKqCQ+7Oq5eCt8yEOaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rV9rhEJbewyYtmIA7gOllmC6j2ZvARbHvsaEAr4DUrd+1W8n2uAuFFvWlo1g7n5mtR emJPMINuIpyE+j4fddyK8oVfTPPJyLzbyIkTpYmc6g+tXxg8P6CBT95Bzkvbt8jXpVIb dMFaZ39Cx0w2KHNzM8B52j5wA61zMhojNfBtY= Received: by 10.150.173.5 with SMTP id v5mr1400491ybe.45.1273153734326; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.19.36 with SMTP id 36ls5363460ybs.3.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.251.14 with SMTP id y14mr778417ybh.12.1273153733610; Thu, 06 May 2010 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.23.33 with SMTP id 33mr556703anw.57.1273143661649; Thu, 06 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.23.33 with SMTP id 33mr556701anw.57.1273143661604; Thu, 06 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f190.google.com (mail-gx0-f190.google.com [209.85.217.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si54889yxe.9.2010.05.06.04.01.01; Thu, 06 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mantycore@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.190; Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so3786146gxk.6 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.32 with SMTP id r32mr99614ybc.53.1273143661545; Thu, 06 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 04:01:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 80.239.243.47 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.2.13918/838; U; ru) Presto/2.4.15,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <9faee470-1b60-49c8-bfbf-8ca308352c2b@r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Comparison to Ilaksh? From: terrible and majestic To: lojban X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mantycore@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mantycore@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mantycore@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I already did some (amateurish) comparison between Ithkuil/Ilaksh and lojban and will post it here a little later, if it is appropriate. For now, a very short summary: Ithkuil and Ilaksh are very similar, more so than loglan and lojban. Essentially they are two different phonetic and graphic realization of same grammar. So, for sake of this comparison, I'll treat them as one language. Ithkuil and lojban are very different in some respects, but very similar in others. It is possible to map the sizable part of one's grammar to another's. Lojban has better, more clear design, an Ithkuil has more rich grammatical categories (yet lojban has more rich and systematic attitudinal system). Ithkuil have very little structure on syntctic level and above, especially compared to lojban; and it totally lacks any mekso- analogue. Lojban has lesser structure in organization of its vocabulary. Ithkuil is more difficult to learn and use, mostly because of combination of (sometimes excess) complexity with irregularities in design. Most importantly, in spite of Ithkuil and lojban having comparable numbers of good ideas in their bases, lojban is a creation of community, so it is much better tested and 'debugged'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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