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Lopresto" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i} In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of adam@cec.wustl.edu designates 128.252.21.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adam@cec.wustl.edu X-Original-Sender: adam@cec.wustl.edu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: On Sun, 16 May 2010, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:21 AM, tijlan wrote: >> On 15 May 2010 23:12, Daniel Brockman wrote: >>> >>> That {za'u re'u} is used as if it meant {za'u tu'o re'u}. >> >> Yes, I agree. And I see {za'u tu'o re'u} as the default meaning of {za'u >> re'u}. > > "tu'o" is the PA equivalent of "zi'o", used to fill a place when the > syntax requires an argument and the semantics require that there be no > argument. What could "za'u tu'o" mean? Maybe you're thinking of "no'o" > rather than "tu'o"? > > "za'u re'u" means "za'u pa re'u", i.e. "re re'u ja ci re'u ja vo re'u > ja mu re'u ja ..." > > I don't think "za'u re'u" gives any hint at all as to which time it > is, other than explicitly excluding it being the first one. I think the biggest issue is that there's a missing PA. {tu'o} is like {zi'o}, and {no'o} is like {zu'i}, and none of those is used all that often= . There's nothing that's like {zo'e}, but it's what's used all the time. If there were a {zo'e}-like PA, it would make a great deal of sense for that (= and not {pa} itself) to the default value for all the comparative PA ({za'u}, {me'i}, {su'o}, etc). --=20 Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ Dogs come when called. Cats take a message and get back to you. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.