From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCC-trfBBoEfw9OUQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 21 10:04:24 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f165.google.com ([209.85.222.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OFVdv-0000Hx-Ed; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:23 -0700 Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37sf306524pzk.25 for ; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IELPhlPYs8MeHFpxsHEEtz5uwym+KwYaSn2rsY+bmi0=; b=CFa50p+On67bs8mwLfI6uUDJ30cD3NmVarU6qVXrb5hIk/vRsnpusrB5fnE9K8Wlan k8e+aFwwOnLs5DmLdVNo59xjpZ1PolmtXcqzyb16DWIUHfD4TyT6QzODVye3yP0HHHJ5 zQfEibWhcvwFwxsyqY3VnNQrBqvD0E0vIoJv8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=zTlGYr2l97grTsrbUdWOkesZ58WWKOpGwq6y0bRTXrOcYDp1/q5FbtVEzjliJ9fV5P NTogn9+L61ZxT2hXGW7aAFvbOLKcUT8GC6QuVlqRnkTwfDoBWIERbLfX4UNuxF3vRT1b zdP41WPdVId6DzL1mspKXYo/WR14BhWQ5gWsw= Received: by 10.142.152.1 with SMTP id z1mr141952wfd.33.1274461442796; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.23 with SMTP id 23ls849213wfb.3.p; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.149.38 with SMTP id w38mr657370wfd.7.1274461441433; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.149.38 with SMTP id w38mr657369wfd.7.1274461441408; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.221.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si215889pzk.6.2010.05.21.10.04.00; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.172; Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so1802379qyk.20 for ; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.239.4 with SMTP id ku4mr482465qcb.86.1274461439336; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 21 May 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:03:59 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Adam D. Lopresto wro= te: > On Thu, 12 May 2010, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dzasni+gerna+cenba+vreji > > Interesting. =A0Some of those are definitely good, some strike me as goin= g way > too far (of course), some somewhere in between. =A0But I'm curious about = the > last one, allowing relative clauses to attach to selbri. =A0What exactly = is > the > "obvious meaning" that they have? Basically: =3D me lo The only difference is that the left hand side would have well defined sumti places beyond x1, and the right hand side doesn't. >=A0I mean, the common error is {ti gerku pe > mi} ("This is my dog."), but I don't see how you can consistently get nor= mal > semantics, or even how to get the right meaning there (it's not the same = as > {ti pe mi gerku}). Right, it's "ti me lo gerku pe mi". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.