From lojban+bncCPieuJrRARDcxuzfBBoEhF_7nw@googlegroups.com Mon May 24 18:10:11 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGiee-0007SP-IF; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:10:11 -0700 Received: by pxi12 with SMTP id 12sf463376pxi.16 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g1yOxuCWPr8lh1oN9FaPDgHxPFLfdAsaytjOd9J6Lw0=; b=lkVsYaLIv1UebRbdwMADwJSM1zbzpj9p0famWsN9qsu9hbsHRh0z5hReXy2EcVPfmw AJRWVVSasqbKwYh91qAH8NEr/kp0Uvsu55PYxzXZvsGsYv/02ZJpmonHAsRQ3Xjx4Sxy YZCoRtVVQXG9E5U28ni7YMl6AV6U0SiQviSno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=sN8TJPTg/OsM8C1aDjjieanxzZuAMnI2KZpabLYts/reCmT/caO1FG45CNLeHE0Z+I ijx+i9eoMUc82NITu9SFxHiYx+tTJ54+OyYSM7nKh6yvgyRc03UtI5o1C1PHzMj5UPJo M3SgbrTFY8tKtS47O3BaadkqRyb4Z6LFpTMK4= Received: by 10.141.187.38 with SMTP id o38mr448317rvp.9.1274749788387; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.187.12 with SMTP id o12ls1082829rvp.0.p; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr2163936rvi.10.1274749786796; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr2163935rvi.10.1274749786771; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f52.google.com (mail-pw0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si764668pzk.8.2010.05.24.18.09.45; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.52; Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so316733pwj.25 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.57.9 with SMTP id f9mr2663161rva.149.1274749785454; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.142.3 with HTTP; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3414c7b0-2a75-4cb2-99a4-0afa6458f6ba@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> References: <3414c7b0-2a75-4cb2-99a4-0afa6458f6ba@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples From: purpleposeidon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=purpleposeidon@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: purpleposeidon@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think the last 40 or so messages are somewhat tangential to the first one. Continuing in that manner: That using cmeselbri would turn {la .djan. klama} into a sumti makes me sad. It would make all of the lessons invalid. What if they were forbidden in being part of a tanru? Perhaps the grammar could look like: selbri-6 = tanru-unit [BO # selbri-6] | [NAhE #] guhek selbri gik selbri-6 | CMEVLA On 5/24/10, Lindar wrote: > So, is the proposal that ".randomcmevlastring." is just a selbri with > a meaning "x1 is called 'randomcmevlastring'" ? Cos if so, that's > actually a good idea. From how you were explaining it before, I > thought you were proposing to say, that ".spagetis." should be a > selbri with a meaning "x1 is spaghetti", which is a horrible idea. I > think somebody had already mentioned it, but it would make a name like > "Little John" or "Big Stu" easier to translate, and we could ascribe > qualities of people to things in tanru. > > So, I'm sorry if my previous post came off as an emotional appeal. > > If your proposal is to make .cmevlastrings. mean x1 is > called .cmevlastrings., then I like it. > > However, that doesn't really solve the initial problem, from what I > can see. Isn't "la .bu,ik." still the company, and not the brand of > car? How would one, under this system, refer to a plate of spaghetti, > or a specific make of vehicle, using this new system versus the > current system? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.