From lojban+bncCKatz7nFHBC-tvDfBBoEqo-QiQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 25 11:47:46 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGzAC-00016D-CN; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:45 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf4447141gwj.16 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xrtrqi7EFKp4UwGTfhmADXJO/fimxz0oqQmCZ+PFu5Y=; b=1HK72sjjVxqR2jWl7YFOiQC3R4D72dEcPLIgRI1C4XFyCmaruncxf8uWVJn2vBv/DX td9plQIDQSA0EbvNftFjeYneDeHuaq2wa7a3Mb2f4y8WeMm5TZKSKNfh38njk4daUT0R Ai4yspxYEeZK8PkP+zj1HFQJD7509SqeH8Y8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tsXT2CQH9nUP41Lre6NKzUV68FMXYUoOeH78jnHVn0Vt4Bn8sFXO/ocE8Ta/EaiZkq gxv02bkRukozvMfTMHlCBfIxrADbHkzrEZ/+t0C/S7bzn18nR9GQJE78/fdjiwOQ3lJu Sv/O7sVSM5rWGDd0ZIlTP/t1kWimyrLwG9A+k= Received: by 10.101.179.39 with SMTP id g39mr274700anp.76.1274813246494; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.11.8 with SMTP id o8ls1856ani.6.p; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.160.23 with SMTP id m23mr2335661ano.53.1274813245026; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.160.23 with SMTP id m23mr2335660ano.53.1274813244959; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f57.google.com (mail-gw0-f57.google.com [74.125.83.57]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k2si4513644ybe.3.2010.05.25.11.47.24; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rbysamppi@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.57 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.57; Received: by mail-gw0-f57.google.com with SMTP id 19so2606231gwj.22 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.175.33 with SMTP id c33mr261889anp.61.1274813244869; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 150.135.210.16 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_3; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.22.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Safari/531.22.7,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <4e37532f-631a-41f2-a341-2895efaea0b6@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] fu'ivla's definition: loanword or morphological class From: symuyn To: lojban X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rbysamppi@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rbysamppi@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: rbysamppi@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There have been some discussions on the IRC room about {fu'ivla} and its proper definition. People currently use {fu'ivla} to refer to: A. general loanwords between any two languages or B. the Lojban morphological class of brivla. These are definitely two different concepts, though they happen to overlap a lot in Lojban. The question is: which definition should {fu'ivla} be defined to have? (Whatever the community or=97should the community not come up with a consensus=97the BPFK decides, either case would require a new word being used to refer to the opposite concept.) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.