From lojban+bncCIXGssP0ChCQwfHfBBoE9AQGpw@googlegroups.com Tue May 25 16:43:28 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OH3mO-0007jU-8X; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:28 -0700 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf265617pvh.16 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Kq64ecvPnjkwYcvYmdEzeKR8j3t+YfW62QstcMwaLXE=; b=m6bjGw5jD9dpXzFX0fmRnv6O6ymgCG6g5pE7C/kTdS8zkJSxj99TpySjsul8cpu8U8 kJNKA2dTEOWigTzcluMijlZVT9N+36SBUCK25LINSbCKdvnTbZNYi3SEJ8uOMUs1QT39 gAPpJwFRwxOMLwKeioe4U8CuQ7+YxGRk3QLF8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=aZS5uTIvXeRR93VlhAxVclR3DnMdz7WjZQFApN9Z5a8HfxE8zCJ3hP3FWcBbV8MytD 4sAKbz5KAscJuZCFg7E7dtCsVX21xg5wFaILehj1noYHJG4/kpJEaQ1FDpVsnfrDgGfv rGC3zsa23uOytR6TXkC47JQ6GIqXOXv/nIB+0= Received: by 10.140.83.22 with SMTP id g22mr575629rvb.26.1274830992175; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.255.17 with SMTP id c17ls99986rvi.2.p; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr2707224rvb.11.1274830990389; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr2707223rvb.11.1274830990358; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f181.google.com (mail-pv0-f181.google.com [74.125.83.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si952211pzk.12.2010.05.25.16.43.09; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ihope127@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.181; Received: by pvg7 with SMTP id 7so232814pvg.40 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.6.35 with SMTP id 35mr5059580wff.79.1274830989232; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.168.10 with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7ac5ef76-747a-4077-ac8d-bd45e0c68005@y6g2000pra.googlegroups.com> References: <3414c7b0-2a75-4cb2-99a4-0afa6458f6ba@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <7ac5ef76-747a-4077-ac8d-bd45e0c68005@y6g2000pra.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples From: Warrigal To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ihope127@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ihope127@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: ihope127@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah, good, Lindar has come up with some actual arguments. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Lindar wrote: >> Why is it a horrible idea? What are the meanings of the stage-three >> and stage-four fu'ivla "cidjrspageti" and "spageti"? > > It breaks the 'phonological fluidity' of the language by putting > irregular word-forms in places where they aren't normally allowed. This argument is really vague. What does "irregular word-form" mean? What does "normally allowed" mean? Are you saying that this change would make there be too many pauses? > Why bother learning the fu'ivla, or even coming up with one when we > can just use cmevla strings and give them any definition we want? Because if you make up your own words instead of learning the existing ones, you won't understand anybody, and nobody will understand you. If you're saying that this change could result in fu'ivla being abandoned altogether, why is that a bad thing? Specifically, what is it about cmevla-as-selbri that makes them good for the speaker but bad for the language? -- Cantr, a browser-based RPG: http://www.cantr.net/ Create a Lojban character so you can practice your Lojban! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.