From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCLhPLfBBoEipuiXg@googlegroups.com Tue May 25 19:06:22 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OH60e-0001ez-Hc; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:22 -0700 Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19sf434205vws.16 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2Nn8Ak/PHeEUpeLzCbwA1cD6w4ZzMrKIPG4sjjw9pfU=; b=mDa628G5wyh4tuutUz5UHSrLz6pU8BybvJ6jrtydWOsu9+XJljKu6cp65lwgVnBGlh qkmSmWKkh7y4tnq4bslb7E03iJeqwtgtVdRBYwFWh6M3kRUFZHprVtS39SGnn6WMiMOk EcdDjgT8/Ys5X52afdnxA0HjYewoUumcqGvFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DF+8BkHSANz9eoiyS7Ou6GSNTLNwGaCKBSy5PLXjsntPqaU9nWlo2xeCfRUXb1QKVV 8TWLnMuyM0ISzQ17cdNJv1+hQzf9URqETC9fA1xe3LeRVjRbfTZ6m64QeTTQ37mnX50n FheDuR9hZ8BgbnNGNBdCUyU6T8f8QDwhRRz1E= Received: by 10.220.83.91 with SMTP id e27mr425894vcl.44.1274839563791; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.46.194 with SMTP id k2ls112997vcf.2.p; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.85.1 with SMTP id m1mr1974646vcl.17.1274839562954; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.85.1 with SMTP id m1mr1974644vcl.17.1274839562716; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l27si4125291vcr.2.2010.05.25.19.06.01; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.196; Received: by mail-qy0-f196.google.com with SMTP id 34so8827158qyk.10 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.221.134 with SMTP id ic6mr1719582qcb.65.1274839561508; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.141.138 with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:06:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201005252152.09599.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4e37532f-631a-41f2-a341-2895efaea0b6@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <201005252152.09599.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:06:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla's definition: loanword or morphological class From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630fed73596b2048775b7b3 --00163630fed73596b2048775b7b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:40:32 Daniel Brockman wrote: > > > Much like the English word "salsa" (which means a specific > > > Spanish-related type of sauce, whereas the Spanish word "salsa" simply > > > means "sauce"), the Lojban word {fu'ivla} should mean "loanword", > > > whereas the English word "fu'ivla" should mean "member of the Lojban > > > morphological class of brivla designed to accomodate loanwords". > > > > Exactly my opinion. > > > > For the morphological class, I suggest {zi'evla} (once coined by > selckiku): > > > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zi'evla > > That word has a place for the meaning, whereas we sometimes need to discuss > meaningless "words" like "adjgadja" and "bongnanba". > > Hello, you never heard of zi'o? --gejyspa > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00163630fed73596b2048775b7b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@phma= .optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:40:32 Daniel Brockman wrote: > > Much like the English word "salsa" (which means a speci= fic
> > Spanish-related type of sauce, whereas the Spanish word "sal= sa" simply
> > means "sauce"), the Lojban word {fu'ivla} should me= an "loanword",
> > whereas the English word "fu'ivla" should mean &quo= t;member of the Lojban
> > morphological class of brivla designed to accomodate loanwords&qu= ot;.
>
> Exactly my opinion.
>
> For the morphological class, I suggest {zi'evla} (once coined by s= elckiku):
>
> =A0 =A0 http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zi'evla

That word has a place for the meaning, whereas we sometimes need to d= iscuss
meaningless "words" like "adjgadja" and "bongnanba= ".


=A0 Hello, you never hear= d of zi'o?

=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
=A0
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