From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCH2vXfBBoEZY1huw@googlegroups.com Wed May 26 11:48:56 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f146.google.com ([209.85.222.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OHLes-0001vX-0h; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:56 -0700 Received: by pzk10 with SMTP id 10sf1733703pzk.16 for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DXyzZPm4fcNy9gMOTZnuWpy/Pub5WWa/a5OFh5pLonk=; b=ppHYhFtp7CY2RNhMQzTWnzFwMfP7+a0yQ13u5X2rBgQWbBj57ne4hFN+RfPWqeEuaB n4DHuO6ttdru8VcPPDp3my//hSTPG0GKrTWavqc5IuHkwjIPXMiQBu6d6CiQ8V0MWJf+ MT+oZ8UBGOkAJoTCni/oQl6ZIE6BpWj1XNRYw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=yau8hMkxLN3W9ZD83dluOWSOGorjYmabSEX9v3JHCJmNoig4/Yswm/oXAAojmde73r RPedxWO1oHs6bhG4nsk8njMN5cvnh+zcjvVdd+qJFjQ55uNh79QrwRpR72RwXQyg47XY OpQ5uYzlpc18kIjs3Pe7Xc4AifGWkDQhbooqE= Received: by 10.142.248.16 with SMTP id v16mr437490wfh.14.1274899719613; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls515706wfh.0.p; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.249.3 with SMTP id w3mr3166199wfh.35.1274899711291; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.249.3 with SMTP id w3mr3166197wfh.35.1274899711263; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f176.google.com (mail-px0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si58650pzk.8.2010.05.26.11.48.30; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.176; Received: by mail-px0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 10so3152819pxi.7 for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.24.11 with SMTP id b11mr6012388wfj.215.1274899710147; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.51.9 with HTTP; Wed, 26 May 2010 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4e37532f-631a-41f2-a341-2895efaea0b6@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <201005252152.09599.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:48:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla's definition: loanword or morphological class From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0b60358fdc7048783b82a --001636e0b60358fdc7048783b82a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:40:32 Daniel Brockman wrote: >> > > Much like the English word "salsa" (which means a specific >> > > Spanish-related type of sauce, whereas the Spanish word "salsa" simply >> > > means "sauce"), the Lojban word {fu'ivla} should mean "loanword", >> > > whereas the English word "fu'ivla" should mean "member of the Lojban >> > > morphological class of brivla designed to accomodate loanwords". >> > >> > Exactly my opinion. >> > >> > For the morphological class, I suggest {zi'evla} (once coined by >> selckiku): >> > >> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zi'evla >> >> That word has a place for the meaning, whereas we sometimes need to >> discuss >> meaningless "words" like "adjgadja" and "bongnanba". >> >> > Hello, you never heard of zi'o? 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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Michael= Turniansky <= mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, May 25, 2010 a= t 9:52 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:40:32 Daniel Brockman wrote:
> > Much like the English word "salsa" (which means a speci= fic
> > Spanish-related type of sauce, whereas the Spanish word "sal= sa" simply
> > means "sauce"), the Lojban word {fu'ivla} should me= an "loanword",
> > whereas the English word "fu'ivla" should mean &quo= t;member of the Lojban
> > morphological class of brivla designed to accomodate loanwords&qu= ot;.
>
> Exactly my opinion.
>
> For the morphological class, I suggest {zi'evla} (once coined by s= elckiku):
>
> =A0 =A0 http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zi'evla

That word has a place for the meaning, whereas we sometimes need to d= iscuss
meaningless "words" like "adjgadja" and "bongnanba= ".


=A0 Hello, you never heard of zi= 'o?

Drat,=A0 was going to say that= .

=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
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