From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCG6fXfBBoEnxfgGg@googlegroups.com Wed May 26 12:20:57 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OHM9r-0004X8-Pg; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:57 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf9233828qyk.1 for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QGxDVDOCO3li0hW8i9VT+b0C2RTbwx96+oagnjliHV4=; b=mSHtJKrgQfvy3m/EQ8peJV3QsRLv1oMu+I6EZnNTbmnuqPy55acB7RmcskELrNwZmN 5PBUOgQWJfeOnlZ64qjcxcvq0nhYF7Dn6Abvo70ep+gU6GoEi6qea17C66e/JWHcGgCH vXPMJvFsEJpRwTHBHzUqeu4nW+Y2Z5/yvcu4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RB3hq4ioXJM/WsebfsV47JnGvZfKOypgvEfTByvRYAidnZsXhLEEpnV1TCROrtLPZI RL4+fxqC1R8CZ2IW/atYHa99PU8PkE9zSw/3U0lfHxPA02NmVYAh2gToMCsOjGKHdEqn 7E05H13dlQ7AL2Ejq6cNGADm7/YAE31nD6+Ak= Received: by 10.229.142.78 with SMTP id p14mr1490347qcu.28.1274901638506; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.2.96 with SMTP id 32ls658711qci.2.p; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.87.224 with SMTP id x32mr996201qal.25.1274901636616; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.87.224 with SMTP id x32mr996200qal.25.1274901636529; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si62970qyk.11.2010.05.26.12.20.35; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so644759vws.16 for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.127.81 with SMTP id f17mr6688896vcs.13.1274901635067; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Wed, 26 May 2010 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4e37532f-631a-41f2-a341-2895efaea0b6@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <201005252152.09599.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla's definition: loanword or morphological class From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68e8ba51501e30487842bba --0016e68e8ba51501e30487842bba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hmm, {zilvla} then? On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:40:32 Daniel Brockman wrote: >>> > > Much like the English word "salsa" (which means a specific >>> > > Spanish-related type of sauce, whereas the Spanish word "salsa" >>> simply >>> > > means "sauce"), the Lojban word {fu'ivla} should mean "loanword", >>> > > whereas the English word "fu'ivla" should mean "member of the Lojban >>> > > morphological class of brivla designed to accomodate loanwords". >>> > >>> > Exactly my opinion. >>> > >>> > For the morphological class, I suggest {zi'evla} (once coined by >>> selckiku): >>> > >>> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zi'evla >>> >>> That word has a place for the meaning, whereas we sometimes need to >>> discuss >>> meaningless "words" like "adjgadja" and "bongnanba". >>> >>> >> Hello, you never heard of zi'o? >> > > Drat, was going to say that. > >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e68e8ba51501e30487842bba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm, {zilvla} then?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 = at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, May 25, 2010 a= t 8:06 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wr= ote:


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Pi= erre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 25 May 2010 21:40:32 Daniel Brockman wrote:
> > Much like the English word "salsa" (which means a speci= fic
> > Spanish-related type of sauce, whereas the Spanish word "sal= sa" simply
> > means "sauce"), the Lojban word {fu'ivla} should me= an "loanword",
> > whereas the English word "fu'ivla" should mean &quo= t;member of the Lojban
> > morphological class of brivla designed to accomodate loanwords&qu= ot;.
>
> Exactly my opinion.
>
> For the morphological class, I suggest {zi'evla} (once coined by s= elckiku):
>
> =A0 =A0 http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zi'evla

That word has a place for the meaning, whereas we sometimes need to d= iscuss
meaningless "words" like "adjgadja" and "bongnanba= ".


=A0 Hello, you never heard of zi= 'o?

Drat,=A0 was going to sa= y that.

=A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
=A0
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