From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRDWn__fBBoEktWTYQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 28 07:15:03 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OI0Kw-0005zB-5R; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:15:03 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf1179194gyd.16 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2F8Kautl0ZlARHunXqCAT418ofrLJ3CysRI0qIdItUM=; b=AhcZ8E0o3PlKsuk8fo899o+RBC5BCxz+wi983ITsxVT3VeOTnbVKuXix61YpzHJw84 +PYdf8W7SlQrprdOAEj7OB0SIugbKJfzUwXtlgddM/Cj40soyqWCzMwfR6tklS9nPd21 MAFxOCGZyvx8Buri2RpD3gpYK145QP5IwhR58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=LlahbGgrPU1NELSLq6faItpPSK4IUT8TDas/tYSEbPPmRLqjTe2hYnhx4K8dVck5/8 24a1p+ZMnnO/f48I/mQ9I/+KBDsP1OF3Poab7BdkAAQ+zMG/e+XonRpyDD6mMFsdFI7+ roOAXpuZvsyz7digwAsys/7gT28/pYaY/JM40= Received: by 10.101.139.2 with SMTP id r2mr9443ann.71.1275056086088; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.200.2 with SMTP id c2ls667266anq.4.p; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.55.35 with SMTP id d35mr84799ana.57.1275056084767; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.55.35 with SMTP id d35mr84798ana.57.1275056084736; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.211.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a2si1903223anj.3.2010.05.28.07.14.43; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.177; Received: by mail-yw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 7so818367ywh.26 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.73.11 with SMTP id a11mr460228anl.130.1275056083199; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.249.14 with HTTP; Fri, 28 May 2010 07:14:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4e37532f-631a-41f2-a341-2895efaea0b6@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <201005252152.09599.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:14:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla's definition: loanword or morphological class To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > However, as long as we're making {fu'ivla} in Lojban refer to the > general loanword, I kind of disagree on its continued usage in English > for the morphological class. If we're going to use {zi'evla} in > Lojban, let us use it in English too. It would take a long time to phase out the English word "fu'ivla". So I think you should be prepared to accept it for a long time. > I look down upon it in the same way as people using "cmene" > to mean "words that end with a consonant-pause," rather than the > correct "cmevla." That's easy for you to say now. It all depends on how long you've been using the word. > When a newcomer asks, "What are the types of words in Lojban?" I'd > like people to answer, "cmevla, gismu, lujvo, and zi'evla." When the > CLL gets updated some day, I wish to see virtually all mentions of > "cmene" replaced with "cmevla" and "fu'ivla" with {zi'evla}. Agreed. Just don't expect it to happen quickly. > It's not a matter of life or death, though. ;) Again, agreed. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.