From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRC2wIfgBBoELSbfyQ@googlegroups.com Sat May 29 20:49:27 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OIZWc-0006pV-JB; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:27 -0700 Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12sf2518974gwa.16 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IRckuDGrLwKlCijL4ebwdn2Cz8KyAdfYdZmN4p+Cm2g=; b=GyEjWPv5NnEHA2jzTraWTTMoQRcpc+VeTlV/i1i+0PVciXncR7S9yHu+EKNjPnucmq bD5gDdR0gK3GFHHBg3/tVp06GqZdqrVIInDALBR1KeXCWdBVrxALw//D5ABGdkxM6xNp pYDB92V+ieEQXZURMsSojcL8oou/M61aNihVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JwsRC4Ygv5pCVHoguUHAIt1M2F3KL40dHBMkf5pvAYzDABQD19znjZSpUkY68xEB0R gEjDNdnriL/tpYDtAMaBvegZhZFrPoipWUsIjL4LRalVy9MhF5Dp5Q0fyGqUC4t6iGzC yfbIiaQRkw/RrBwll27VXy5Z9zHyqmnudijuQ= Received: by 10.150.174.6 with SMTP id w6mr124666ybe.7.1275191350319; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.148.2 with SMTP id a2ls986466ano.1.p; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.175.37 with SMTP id c37mr82119anp.18.1275191349611; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <556832.6378.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <3414c7b0-2a75-4cb2-99a4-0afa6458f6ba@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <7ac5ef76-747a-4077-ac8d-bd45e0c68005@y6g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <556832.6378.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <959500ee-ea4d-4acf-9353-f2c990ba25a7@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Named multiples From: Lindar To: lojban Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam_score: 1.6 X-Spam_score_int: 16 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Woooooooowwwww... Some of you are taking this a little too personally. We're not all linguists and maths professors in the community, but I think it's still fair to have a word in what happens to Lojban. I'm sorry that I'm not the most educated of the group and that I don't know all the correct terminology. I'm expressing my opinion as the layman user, not the programmer or the logician. Mr. Lopresto, I'm not -attacking- anything, I'm debating my side of the argument, and I don't appreciate you talking down to me when I've been with the community for almost a year now. I know how to speak Lojban just fine, and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I don't. 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We're not all linguists and maths professors in the community, but I think it's still fair to have a word in what happens to Lojban. I'm sorry that I'm not the most educated of the group and that I don't know all the correct terminology. I'm expressing my opinion as the layman user, not the programmer or the logician. Mr. Lopresto, I'm not -attacking- anything, I'm debating my side of the argument, and I don't appreciate you talking down to me when I've been with the community for almost a year now. I know how to speak Lojban just fine, and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I don't. tijlan, your argument actually makes a lot of sense. I suppose I was taking a somewhat conservative approach to things, which I'm sure is only normal when we're making big changes to the grammar. xorlo was probably charged by the horns as well, wasn't it? Well, if I'm completely outnumbered, I might as well roll with the punches and see where this goes. So, if everybody is adamant on changing how cmevla work in grammar, then why don't we actually test it out? Cement things out firmly? Again, I'm not the sharpest bulb in the tool shed, so please explain a few things for me. What is the semantic difference between lo .lindar. and la .lindar. ? Can cmevla have multiple places? Is {me} being removed from the grammar due to it not being necessary after this change? Could this possibly be used as a system for creating "slang" words? Could somebody please write a few sample bridi using this new rule? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.