From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRDilIjgBBoEelkYXw@googlegroups.com Sat May 29 23:49:23 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OIcKk-0006Kt-5b; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:23 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf2665905gyd.16 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=60HuCoNwTNSlH2/uieKFSGRPFJTGqrZFHTdPoqQcHCY=; b=tLVHF2v9amVx2LN0LDItFOAlNIJXTGAaWQewKblB64o3nUL6zCURpu4VbnpMLGfhI4 R83jvr2x7as0wSUdZ3YM8sr3Ipsx9VRURVHmKgzF4Vi97h06TNtjCJIKKg4HeaWjGbw4 p46X+3DqtFIEIKklQEcFU7QjPv4Kg3A1plyP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=uUqxZuovpIJnpzs8WNmHvFNfLdiFl4Jsy/5/iX0+lfvlMpG6UiBg5IjOC5vM6UmeJD GSgq8E3+VOftxkjYaWZIugKiWNSxyLTVNoZMr85J0QgllbigF47damLOFNTKULYn5ttF SGQ6BS+ObanWJeCmRmMbiN+wI1gJ79mo/5bVc= Received: by 10.91.59.20 with SMTP id m20mr62168agk.13.1275202146132; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.66.23 with SMTP id t23ls134976agk.6.p; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.7.36 with SMTP id 36mr1600426agg.10.1275202145526; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.7.36 with SMTP id 36mr1600425agg.10.1275202145504; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f52.google.com (mail-gw0-f52.google.com [74.125.83.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si237926ywh.8.2010.05.29.23.49.04; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.52; Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so2119840gwj.39 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.28.10 with SMTP id f10mr2950827anj.41.1275202144067; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:49:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.249.14 with HTTP; Sat, 29 May 2010 23:48:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3414c7b0-2a75-4cb2-99a4-0afa6458f6ba@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <7ac5ef76-747a-4077-ac8d-bd45e0c68005@y6g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <556832.6378.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <959500ee-ea4d-4acf-9353-f2c990ba25a7@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:48:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Ah... Makes sense. So la .lindar. is "Lindar." (a meaningless string > of characters) and lo .lindar. is "Thing(s) named Lindar." ? That's > nifty. Well, {la broca} is "Broca", but {lo broca} is just undefined. The same would be true of {lo lindar} (although xorxes has suggested that the most useful definition of at least many existing cmevla would be as you say). I wouldn't focus so much on that "default meaning" stuff, as it makes the whole concept more difficult to grasp. >> > Can cmevla have multiple places? >> >> I don't see why not? > > .spagetis. = x1 is spaghetti with sauce x2 > ?? Sure. (Although "x1 is spaghetti of type x2" would be more likely.) >> > Is {me} being removed from the grammar due to it not being necessary >> > after this change? >> >> No, definitely not. > > Then under what condition would it still be used? Well, that's a pretty broad question. Whenever you want to convert a sumti into a selbri. i lo me zo me selbri cu plixau > Well, I'm convinced. It seems like a decent idea as long as it doesn't > get abused. Do we just start using it now, is there some kind of > ceremony we have to have first, or... what now? You can smoke whatever weird experimental stuff you can fit in your pipe, but don't expect something like this to just suddenly change overnight. Most Lojbanists probably haven't even read this, much less commented. But people experiment with all kinds of stuff all the time (e.g., on IRC). > Does everybody agree on exactly how it'll work? I suggest you focus on the essence of it, and the essence of it is extremely simple: We treat cmevla exactly as we treat brivla. Read that again, slowly: We treat cmevla exactly as we treat brivla. You know how brivla work, right? What {lo broda} and {la broda} mean? Good. Then you know how cmevla work under xorla (i.e., exactly the same). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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