From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDa1YngBBoEhqn8-w@googlegroups.com Sun May 30 06:46:36 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OIimI-00077D-9R; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:46:15 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf2999632gyd.16 for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wfC9vJQ8RIIJeaHJjaZaXGMlh+rojW2XPipyA5DZVHc=; b=CIOAcCIyL3x85Ac/L/ohTlcJTxFAGObLIdiVulx9tKbaCxELYrkExx5C+ztkAxa5ti oQbeTeTZqS9vqC/y3u1l0lXbFsQZgcnXlLGLfPHtd3kNa06NOYiz+kSx/5N7G0vvG1xo knExecvmWYNo7GGlh3VQ0z9kU9MvGRnUYDaDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=F272q+L5hqbThj1XuvCgMNMOXgMPBMCM4DChKGlc6xDs18e4TNm7q065LeuLdkPTpB xl2Df6OX3nUjHPAmw5cg4sVSkemPdE55TLsISOcEsxcWHhQRCVQZWEr9MFvFmWzSH1gH 5UV9qnKu0uhS6jjQHMEQ4o9ExMru/paK4XiaU= Received: by 10.150.247.5 with SMTP id u5mr139473ybh.88.1275226842005; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.17.15 with SMTP id u15ls1318767ybi.0.p; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.47.32 with SMTP id u32mr1306277ybu.11.1275226841157; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.47.32 with SMTP id u32mr1306275ybu.11.1275226841136; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id v4si5672704ybe.5.2010.05.30.06.40.39; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.123; Received: (qmail 44102 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2010 13:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: <549632.44071.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9HvAEkUVM1no.F16YvnQ4qLADlSYcYcgkhM3zIjRjPrAWNA AeiExWqGxH2_QZ7AGSPE0W_4EVn6ymEB2p0AT7yGy7xBfc_LvvgsPBRWwLCj blQchfJ.uZ_cmiDFROIUf9DmX_U68nT5src0vjFKyBZEXxH3T9jgU2K70Lnf OcZuwxiB.b6.1SYwnZTk_WU2J_wTh0N6WL6Vd9gsiqsc_vr9FU9buSApKkMV V2StvyMtm3iF4ClFaQbuLuS2J3NC8J_BL4.zbMKNr1bi1v95YKO5NG0rLRiN 79PIupNKUjWQbw642MhNmNhmcvlubM6v_WTWee28Er7JJwncQY7jqWHf7b4Z 0hFXED4BKVQ-- Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <3414c7b0-2a75-4cb2-99a4-0afa6458f6ba@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <7ac5ef76-747a-4077-ac8d-bd45e0c68005@y6g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <556832.6378.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <959500ee-ea4d-4acf-9353-f2c990ba25a7@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <676f1fae-2f5a-4609-8727-49c9083a8715@h20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Insofar as I follow this -- which, as often, takes me by surprise that it = is still a matter of discussion (but then, there are problems raised in 196= 0 that are still matters of discussion), I really does seem that all that h= as happened is the loss of one morphological separate category and maybe --= just maybe -- a change in the frequency of certain already available patte= rns (covered now by different rules, of course, since the mentioned categor= y no longer exists). This is a markedly different situation from xorlo, wh= ich changed an array of things, mainly semantic (which doesn't enter here a= t all). (BTW names are not gismu in precisely the morphological sense (don't end in= vowels for starters) and they are root words in the sense of not having an= etymology within Lojban -- what that notion means in the case of gismu.) ----- Original Message ---- From: Daniel Brockman To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 2:16:06 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples > It pleases me when people find their Lindar-filters. > ((I lol'd @ talking to me like I'm a simpleton. <3 )) That wasn't meant as a comment about you so much as a comment about the simplicity of the basic proposal, though. > We can't come up with a different name? I'm pretty sure that, aside > from brodV, we're not supposed to have gismu that are the same > excepting the final vowel. These are just names. They're not gismu in the sense of "root words", they're gismu only in the purely morphological sense. > I have a very valid question for all involved: > > Will we be documenting definitions for cmevla now that they are valid > brivla, or should it be left up to context? You're being a little too forward with this ("now that they are valid brivl= a"). What we should do is just to continue experimenting and discussing. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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