From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCHl4_gBBoEy_Cpfw@googlegroups.com Mon May 31 07:45:56 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OJ6FH-0002dX-6z; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:56 -0700 Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15sf3295084vws.16 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=7U8kB+xFhWuE5BDCxQ0tAh4G8ov+k0HIJoHRdaHNiXA=; b=6jCbfxup6qRe3s8hB/YcGODhMvMeuxP5STiF1i2e4WC76Ctod3H2xiO7yfizjobiD4 kiw1cOgpd9NiiiDuxhyADUmm2d9NEPM+tBxnmD1hPO8Atoke9/OCMhGN2Lznm/5lht6G Nv5KPRnwQIKZuMmfOO0fECOfSAP2/ypCUw0oA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=baMGldtI11H3MXuOe4BBneQjVMndIKaoexAMuXSq1FgUYI7d/ocQzZw/l8gdFt+9gO XUX367/N0+T9LR+irky/78erh6xuDGi77C/V2XD8+DNZ55ZcYwxlsQcFuR/v78npkhSX l8p88KLhruYtTfCHU0mjM4MkCKU5UoMhdlUag= Received: by 10.220.83.91 with SMTP id e27mr201086vcl.44.1275317127156; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.64.164 with SMTP id e36ls2007249vci.1.p; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.185.11 with SMTP id cm11mr1153421vcb.12.1275317120866; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.185.11 with SMTP id cm11mr1153420vcb.12.1275317120837; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a29si4142601vcp.4.2010.05.31.07.45.20; Mon, 31 May 2010 07:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ndvJlTMTg5nMognaPVD+zUGEYEmwQCx6obUm78I9Gww= c=1 sm=0 a=wbKXeunVgZ0A:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=ZyNyupgSG0_WL64ljx8A:9 a=ImsccZOTZDIz2i50SYV4yMvZPi4A:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:41000] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 43/9A-01646-F7BC30C4; Mon, 31 May 2010 14:45:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3335359FD for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 10:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:45:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005311045.13994.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 31 May 2010 00:58:26 Oleksii Melnyk wrote: > But what is the profit? We are exchanging the shorter "la lindar darlu" > (now needs an additional terminator/cu) for the shorter "named X type-of = Y" > type of selbri. Which case are you considering the most > common/frequent/usable? Which one deserves to be "shorter"? I do not think the change is worth it. Lojban has two open parts of speech= =20 (cmevla, brivla) to English's four (noun, verb, adjective, adverb). (Yes I= =20 know there are languages with two kinds of adjective, or no distinction=20 between verb or adjective, etc. All my native languages have those four.) I= t=20 is possible to use "la" with a brivla, or "me" with a cmene, or make a briv= la=20 corresponding to a cmevla (e.g. sfa'ani/isfa'an). But generally the two par= ts=20 of speech serve distinct functions and should be kept separate. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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