From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBDJr43fBBoEbVSefA@googlegroups.com Thu May 06 16:59:28 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAAyP-0004f8-Kl; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:27 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf330961gwj.16 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dv///3gd177efnOYaavTdA6z5zMyyqEMCsRAdDx9G88=; b=UjCg+6k/yPbjwI3xf54i2kAbyAgmK0zDMZXlK4whRp6m1+ZMBtA9XSDwzdKyI77ZSg wcFRtoKcVbe5HBOxLW5je2xmlWz09+hwA+C5VT2TC3WDd6fTEhaGv4tpgQmM8Vq5jAPJ SjoOU+0RMoMSCdtA22uWoTOgbHpT86dgc7ef8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=wHxnOtzERRxUAwJfyjymCJjGcdPXntVxo+N1rGc6zKT6hB6b0CKfftLnFjy5rMIYTq tdPnh2OMg3zYAVRfkz3KpjQjLjEQk+RO1W6o558rwOCqGHLiYp9l7AFe7lAeGUyLVRMn KwKN2k7bi4ZUuPPhZrj11jqcQSnfcLmuIGIoI= Received: by 10.101.136.18 with SMTP id o18mr822159ann.46.1273190345946; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.182.36 with SMTP id j36ls3166261anp.3.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.22.14 with SMTP id 14mr6726348anv.34.1273190345299; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.22.14 with SMTP id 14mr6726345anv.34.1273190345266; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j16si2552970ann.0.2010.05.06.16.59.05; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.8; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100506235904.FEVK7060.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:59:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id EPz41e0072hfrC602Pz4Vb; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:59:04 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=FnQQhIGgoxKy895ni2P06Ys7q26b/tysl77b0NRG5XA= c=1 sm=1 a=lTnEy8ucIPgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=1SN7kaQ26ydYkuS3vqcA:9 a=xhWhKTvQ4FV70iAnscj1j31FpO4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BE3582D.9090001@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 20:00:45 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Comparison to Ilaksh? References: <4BE21192.5090804@lojban.org> <4BE2396F.2000003@lojban.org> <4BE2C6E3.50109@gmail.com> <4BE2CD7B.3010306@lojban.org> <4BE32035.6000905@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE32035.6000905@gmail.com> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And Rosta wrote: > But setting that definitional difference aside, I wonder if you would be > similarly baffled by architects designing buildings that are never going > to be built, They aren't buildings, but pictures/drawings of buildings. They may have value as art or concept, but I recognize a difference between an idea, a plan, and a real thing. > NASA scientists designing spaceships that will forever > remain blueprints? The building may be beautiful, and may in its > conception and elaboration elevate the spirit, even if it remains > unbuilt. They aren't spaceships, but spaceship designs. And unicorns in fantasy novels are still fantasy creatures and not real creatures, no matter how skilled the writing. I didn't question the value of Ilaksh; I merely am not sure it is proper to call it a "language" as opposed to a "language design". lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.