From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDH-o3fBBoEDSlpsw@googlegroups.com Thu May 06 19:39:29 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OADTJ-00068c-3O; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:29 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf286171qyk.1 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:message-id:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=ENmgQol6fttaurTrAQexDTvjvG2ohonehpUd2WirOuI=; b=192c5yJoiupc0JYo76P8YyFyGWlsvOzqbik2Ubu8gJjfQqzAJ0fuW1endLDi5SbCAS qmi0Iiz8tANFuwNxFroOhgVjLYoP1al1xqm2cxoUJHlE5X+jTjaou9QaQTaca3rUpyCP 9XiHOOITaV4WK3X2pVY2iG5Zjki7JXB/BqA7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=n52uUhZ5oPNJZPMCTmUbbB7olLktx0JHwMN89Z1PDN+M/6pC68LKzllX/COGKVAU5C LdTT+KGW7ucsPsnRhJEiYBy2lM6rQCykK1EqkfcuH8W4Nyo2wlKw95Oq6Bq+XYhDBKtQ 5I0537Ixd+WUFb2131Ez0z0k4vOKheWkO/qtU= Received: by 10.229.78.86 with SMTP id j22mr1153665qck.8.1273199943216; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.10.160 with SMTP id p32ls7011946qcp.2.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.81.81 with SMTP id w17mr1502926qck.9.1273199941237; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.81.81 with SMTP id w17mr1502925qck.9.1273199941191; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si317831qyk.15.2010.05.06.19.39.01; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=cDoCBObb3cacPy303HW7MdnqOItAx7SMItS1sEIlEGs= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=5oz75DT_AAAA:8 a=rLnzOGoakflaAwAsS70A:9 a=rtPorZhhA7iKBbnHjxQW_gcbu6AA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:37668] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 4E/F3-16464-44D73EB4; Fri, 07 May 2010 02:39:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC627A2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 22:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:38:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline There's a purportedly original version on the Greek Wikisource, which is=20 somewhat different from the translations. Here's a translation into Lojban.= A=20 star means that I'm guessing what the Greek word means. le berti brife* cu darlu le solri le jei makau poi me xai cu gasnu lo nu lo= =20 litru cu toldasni lo kosta .i le berti cu pare'u troci lo nu lacpu lo kosta= =20 lo nu tsali bifca'e .iku'i ra lekydesku* jgari lo kosta re xance gi'e setca= =20 lo stedu lo kevna be lo rokci gi'e cliva lo ralxadni* lo bartu .i le solri = cu=20 pare'u mliglagau* lo lenku litru gi'e za'ure'u bevri lo fagri .i mukti le n= u=20 lo selxasne litru cu toldasni lo kosta .i ta'i ku le berti cu toljinga ni'o lo cumla zukte be da zo'u lo nu mukti cu zmadu lo nu bapli http://el.wikisource.org/wiki/=CE=92=CE=BF=CF=81=CE=AD=CE=B1=CF=82_=CE=BA= =CE=B1=CE=B9_=CE=89=CE=BB=CE=B9=CE=BF=CF=82 There's a word "=E1=BC=80=CE=BD=CF=8D=CF=83=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=82" in the last = line which I wasn't even sure enough to=20 guess. I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a translation in=20 jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true", not "persuade to= =20 do something". Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.