From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC-hY7fBBoEUrlOYg@googlegroups.com Thu May 06 20:02:46 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OADpk-0007gz-FL; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:45 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf290141qyk.1 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xGetVgiPahdh37MyFUGjT6CxYUoIH/ruxCTjca+5ge0=; b=ztVfkMiXHA6nDdOJch4XI4CpU1AHJFh2jSGpJ4IWVtiDcn9SQNrbLTpoA0MWaA1YU/ UgxTyQBRd8yzdk/2oO3rXW3e2tEabYCe43ymQ8C/omU7t+F1TEKlewIeLCdfFYpo9qPU iR+2kjomIfa2h6Oyb1njMqW+H4/wfo134B9tQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=brzYVq5fZ/sgDspP6S/sejHiHNhPqT84h9RjCtcM2lO/ioG/9wpAC7qO/NbPo/gK7r J8ezQREqXT3ArdjGGgQFWkrKM78ZWDyPgQXPEnzRPHr1mr+junMdO7XeX388/HE2JrLb wIeyR7chhuT583Hp49pnSvFk9VuWlA+BkudIg= Received: by 10.229.116.84 with SMTP id l20mr1282862qcq.37.1273201342129; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.247.131 with SMTP id mc3ls5093785qcb.1.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.238.83 with SMTP id kr19mr1247184qcb.19.1273201340185; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.238.83 with SMTP id kr19mr1247183qcb.19.1273201340151; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si306788qyk.14.2010.05.06.20.02.19; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by mail-vw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 8so702133vws.26 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.157.136 with SMTP id b8mr415789vcx.30.1273201338600; Thu, 06 May 2010 20:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 20:02:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887cab83ccc20485f84947 --e0cb4e887cab83ccc20485f84947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In {le berti brife cu darlu le solri le jei makau...} I think you may have mixed up the x2 and x3 of {darlu}. From what I read of {darlu} in jbovlaste, I think you said that the north wind argued for the sun against the truth value of.... I took a couple years of greek in college but have completely forgotten mos= t of it. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > There's a purportedly original version on the Greek Wikisource, which is > somewhat different from the translations. Here's a translation into Lojba= n. > A > star means that I'm guessing what the Greek word means. > > le berti brife* cu darlu le solri le jei makau poi me xai cu gasnu lo nu = lo > litru cu toldasni lo kosta .i le berti cu pare'u troci lo nu lacpu lo kos= ta > lo nu tsali bifca'e .iku'i ra lekydesku* jgari lo kosta re xance gi'e set= ca > lo stedu lo kevna be lo rokci gi'e cliva lo ralxadni* lo bartu .i le solr= i > cu > pare'u mliglagau* lo lenku litru gi'e za'ure'u bevri lo fagri .i mukti le > nu > lo selxasne litru cu toldasni lo kosta .i ta'i ku le berti cu toljinga > > ni'o lo cumla zukte be da zo'u lo nu mukti cu zmadu lo nu bapli > > http://el.wikisource.org/wiki/=CE=92=CE=BF=CF=81=CE=AD=CE=B1=CF=82_=CE=BA= =CE=B1=CE=B9_=CE=89=CE=BB=CE=B9=CE=BF=CF=82 > There's a word "=E1=BC=80=CE=BD=CF=8D=CF=83=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=82" in the las= t line which I wasn't even sure enough > to > guess. I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a translation in > jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true", not "persuade = to > do something". > > Pierre > -- > When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. > J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --e0cb4e887cab83ccc20485f84947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In {le berti brife cu darlu le solri le jei makau...} I think you may have = mixed up the x2 and x3 of {darlu}. =C2=A0From what I read of {darlu} in jbo= vlaste, I think you said that the north wind argued for the sun against the= truth value of....

I took a couple years of greek in college but have completel= y forgotten most of it.

On Thu, May 6, 20= 10 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
There's a purportedly original version = on the Greek Wikisource, which is
somewhat different from the translations. Here's a translation into Loj= ban. A
star means that I'm guessing what the Greek word means.

le berti brife* cu darlu le solri le jei makau poi me xai cu gasnu lo nu lo=
litru cu toldasni lo kosta .i le berti cu pare'u troci lo nu lacpu lo k= osta
lo nu tsali bifca'e .iku'i ra lekydesku* jgari lo kosta re xance gi= 'e setca
lo stedu lo kevna be lo rokci gi'e cliva lo ralxadni* lo bartu .i le so= lri cu
pare'u mliglagau* lo lenku litru gi'e za'ure'u bevri lo fag= ri .i mukti le nu
lo selxasne litru cu toldasni lo kosta .i ta'i ku le berti cu toljinga<= br>
ni'o lo cumla zukte be da zo'u lo nu mukti cu zmadu lo nu bapli

htt= p://el.wikisource.org/wiki/=CE=92=CE=BF=CF=81=CE=AD=CE=B1=CF=82_=CE=BA=CE= =B1=CE=B9_=CE=89=CE=BB=CE=B9=CE=BF=CF=82
There's a word "=E1=BC=80=CE=BD=CF=8D=CF=83=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=82"= ; in the last line which I wasn't even sure enough to
guess. I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a tran= slation in
jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true", no= t "persuade to
do something".

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.

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