From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCP15DfBBoE1z4RHQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 08:03:04 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f141.google.com ([209.85.211.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAP4o-0006q8-Fo; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:03:03 -0700 Received: by ywh5 with SMTP id 5sf859588ywh.25 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GEQWAArSVV8SrhIitsKWs4yyGI7YK8YUITnRO8g4DZ4=; b=gwPqSidc41q4QISee6bOvejD7eQJUBjOeZe0y+0HMg7FP+V6di7qrQa2bXnnrfnTtJ DuJQ42bzbrNOPcBioMFL2+XiyWUP7QRn90vVRQAbGqTWp2koiXrk/LlsduXMu4Z/bGQh mBjBg0bjF2+7QsZ0+7pF8XOlfPsL4FdwZtmuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G8trjS62H4pi7uEbKDyhgdC8NHAbA/w9hthsPIlJykD9SKoDVn1kYFxQeJ1xfmouia fY/PMMCpNHJn3HLyR3J+Xccpoj4yC+VphZxvLsVO3ohl1fJsapIstJ6nwjzXV+iE7zlj W+CwN7DzijgSU043rspRnSFulOy3KYfdhJjWQ= Received: by 10.150.172.10 with SMTP id u10mr158506ybe.77.1273244559207; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.19.36 with SMTP id 36ls7477048ybs.3.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.47.32 with SMTP id u32mr1808737ybu.11.1273244557747; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.47.32 with SMTP id u32mr1808736ybu.11.1273244557715; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.221.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si157894yxe.15.2010.05.07.08.02.36; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.179; Received: by mail-qy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 9so1868084qyk.2 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.123.18 with SMTP id n18mr8088734qar.244.1273244554206; Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:02:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100507141139.GD29740@nvg.org> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:33 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] PA ji'i PA From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Both seem like pretty useful constructs. =A0Whichever one is "correct", h= ow > would one express the other meaning? In what sense of "useful"? Googling for "fifty or sixty" gives 9.650.000 hits. Whatever that number means, at least it hints that "fifty or sixty" is useful. "five thousand and approximately sixty" gives one hit as of now (maybe it will be two if you try it later). Now, that may be an unfair test, maybe there is a more idiomatic phrase to look for. All I can really say is that I have never so far felt the need to express something in Lojban that would require using the CLL convention. "approximately five thousand and sixty" gives 4 hits, and I would translate it as "ji'i munoxano". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.