From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDuh5HfBBoE5GNiiQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 09:47:02 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAQhS-0006Cu-7S; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:47:01 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf564563wyb.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fBHDWzML5saneGcrfHRpvw+C504E9m3Bexn0UCU4H7E=; b=JcLjEwQ7iekWUjzVqmSPnojBznCbEKEh6cacjhJGt4GvHx1UPF8BaRfs7fJgOesiPx cvwGhm4g5qX3UFTTE6tZJolW/kI03iFNEPnaLiHbHpX3VRB/S/l+e9anCcZ1VkElkbK7 acbY2UwGa9WReXaVfn6zq5EWKSsxlOq6AxAVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LGSaMKXQAUbV8TL4IIMlHTTMIAkHU/PARuOCk+beM3XTBvgevEG8zVCGUhRUjlWbSc sez6QmfOqI9nAma2ReHr0IEjxGy+e3+Qpk98lBpw8fekGmJHjRmYMfhG5OZkkZ7bX2sT SgJoz9tf1FIVSpBgvKpvd0IZcBTT2EuNWvrSw= Received: by 10.223.5.69 with SMTP id 5mr25738fau.37.1273250798269; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.109.160 with SMTP id j32ls6013790wbp.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.142 with SMTP id o14mr23495wbs.16.1273250795554; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.142 with SMTP id o14mr23494wbs.16.1273250795508; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p18si2791750wbc.0.2010.05.07.09.46.34; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 21so707234wya.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.195 with SMTP id w45mr228750wee.47.1273250794020; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:46:33 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e06c4b0536048603cdd9 --0016e6d7e06c4b0536048603cdd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May I suggest a lujvo involving gasnu? gasnu gau "do" "x1 [person/agent] is an agentive cause of event x2; **x1 does/brings about x2**" For example: gauju'o - g1=3Dd1 knows how to bring about g2=3Dd2 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a translation in > > jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true", not "persuad= e > to > > do something". > > Similarly: > > djuno: know that something is true > ????: know how to do something > > facki: find out that something is true > ????: find out how to do something > > cilre: learn that something is true > ????: learn to do something > > ctuca: teach that something is true > ????: teach to do something > > morji: remember that something is true > ????: remember to do something > > jdice: decide that something is true > ????: decide to do something > > Solve one and maybe you will solve them all. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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gasnu gau "do"= "x1 [person/agent] is an agent= ive cause of event x2; *x1 does/brings about x2*"

For ex= ample:
gauju'o - g1=3Dd1 knows how to bring about g2=3Dd2

2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a transl= ation in
> jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true"= ;, not "persuade to
> do something".

Similarly:

djuno: know that something is true
????: know how to do something

facki: find out that something is true
????: find out how to do something

cilre: learn that something is true
????: learn to do something

ctuca: teach that something is true
????: teach to do something

morji: remember that something is true
????: remember to do something

jdice: decide that something is true
????: decide to do something

Solve one and maybe you will solve them all.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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