From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD6i5HfBBoEJ1YxCA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 09:56:13 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f141.google.com ([209.85.211.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAQpt-0006k0-6t; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:56:12 -0700 Received: by ywh5 with SMTP id 5sf919410ywh.25 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/5AmcJlhGY4bsUxOIwThz2+IBkaNPCVLEu4pvXD7D5A=; b=T3I3Mpw48RXjL3PEb82VnD0ALdH+5WunSHJk1VLJCOHhydlRze9x4fRpGCfEUkUEmS AjzDsOZimvBGcCRo8gUlMUDDhxOo2Oalg1t8tcVij/4YxG/WLIJ6uXcxbsd92ImsplfZ kss/wjaHOSTn3WzPZu5kjhOFmQ8MntERYNu5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=GMnQnd4184l8FW8qfEUTMdzVbXnvZstXwzTyweKf09r+01AxNJ41ftziKk8pimTffo KQ1jI/YLPy2o469v60Q6WqD+Qudg+ep5sr2TqNruURfN1HPJsMwFLFh1OavLCM5c6iJA jE3mvVprF2IYQ6jOiqNLb9hb4MD25g7R83wrU= Received: by 10.150.120.8 with SMTP id s8mr186722ybc.24.1273251322405; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.174.37 with SMTP id b37ls6980347anp.6.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.16.13 with SMTP id t13mr275802ani.2.1273251321863; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.16.13 with SMTP id t13mr275797ani.2.1273251321755; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si207864gxk.8.2010.05.07.09.55.20; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.171; Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so2081796qyk.5 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.230.84 with SMTP id jl20mr153718qcb.88.1273251319415; Fri, 07 May 2010 09:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:55:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:55:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > May I suggest a lujvo involving gasnu? > gasnu gau "do" "x1 [person/agent] is an agentive cause of event x2; *x1 > does/brings about x2*" > > For example: > gauju'o - g1=d1 knows how to bring about g2=d2 You could do that, but it would be a non-compositional lujvo. You cannot explain the meaning of that "gauju'o" in terms of "djuno", you have to rely on the English gloss. It does not mean "ko'a djuno lo du'u ko'a gasnu ko'e" or anything like that. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.