From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC1nZHfBBoEc8Xyug@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 10:33:00 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f141.google.com ([209.85.211.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARPw-0001mZ-0U; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:33:00 -0700 Received: by ywh5 with SMTP id 5sf937749ywh.25 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DfbqLVuZs/umWfA69uFZ03khP/gLjJBKjIa4Elan61E=; b=0HgaIa8RG0pBjru+SOK2cAAuknt58ODtczDTnpvMcPJPfgyopfSjhrDIfNuvo3I7yB WNeub+j0XyfSrpeJ1vctB3G0dLl8np7GMyZAd2xMYyWnUqH/GWxGMGCFXlxn6T2OKDpb MuKaG0hVvkUFm4qWlkKmyRInvzUMeOqBdt31c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x8i9e5kfLBvZErGiQ/oWplJxvLH3i+QZ0SLKWleNlvm4wMXHjlEtpacbAsjNRSUTqz ThPCK8do8lyQbHaYcvEgDO64wk1091GjD3kwjYlKBKUaCr8Z2BbU8VAotNjYh3/FD27Y kAOpqhL3jFMCd93eTKAcRECrjDR1IJbzB3ZTg= Received: by 10.150.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr190545ybe.55.1273253557504; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.24.10 with SMTP id 10ls7047145anx.7.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.157.32 with SMTP id j32mr304517ano.4.1273253556805; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.157.32 with SMTP id j32mr304516ano.4.1273253556743; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f203.google.com (mail-qy0-f203.google.com [209.85.221.203]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si210938gxk.8.2010.05.07.10.32.35; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.203 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.203; Received: by mail-qy0-f203.google.com with SMTP id 42so1468775qyk.9 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.80.88 with SMTP id s24mr165948qak.116.1273253555479; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:32:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:32:35 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.203 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote= : > > In effect, what you're saying is that you want to completely merge > cmevla and fu'ivla. Merge the syntactic classes cmevla and brivla, yes. Brivla would still be divided in four morphological classes: gismu/lujvo/fu'ivla/cmevla, but there is no need for the last class to have its own separate syntax. > I don't really see what you're saying here, unless you also want to > argue that {.xorxes.} has a "meaning". =A0What's the difference? A predicate "xorxes" could mean "is named 'xorxes'", if anything at all. In any case, in "la xorxes" the meaning of the predicate is as irrelevant as the meaning of "donri" in "la donri". "la" in any case removes the meaning from the word that follows. "x1 is named '...'" would probably be the default meaning for cmevla. But other cmevla, like "spagetis" or "opel" would carry more meaning than just "x1 is named '...'". (In fact "spagetis" is a bad example because "spageti" is a valid the stage-4 fu'ivla. There is no need to go through the more distorted ".spagetis." when the original is already closer to a proper stage-4 form, but that's the example CLL uses.) mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.