From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCvqZHfBBoEp9U0XA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 10:58:28 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARoc-0003CY-TN; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:28 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf590266wyb.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1JwP3YkVUECndS10eHmojLccrIWVua/aWmPvhDvQ7Rs=; b=DsL+JA9QFwFaiwlXE6yOviY4BZjgEmU8HhfAmWaS8DkblRUQRZpj9O88uYKkml0rmJ VEdknehwjAPsfjLwaiaPSOAu0I9rRrQxuywjmmGoj1/16qCoKuW9DQR+vAg2Ku+jsCl7 IfTk1nsCL1V61GPrYlZMDOL6GhbmueS1+B0bg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vc0iOD5Q4uH0OMrnnke+Kk1yl20ZVX+Dqafitou4DsTDH9eSjaIsbneEt1KPsNKhHY l7IKnGSqcMA3KeoFsMvSWNvlLQqiEyrdb7LwhIoTqlRH3na7Xjx8pvcqo9Tvwcr2uZny sCsQdRtF3tQ4Mma88n5wV3cg9u34+CKS/KASM= Received: by 10.223.4.212 with SMTP id 20mr47774fas.15.1273255087915; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.145.167 with SMTP id p39ls3114862wej.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.85.208 with SMTP id u58mr25392wee.2.1273255086402; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.85.208 with SMTP id u58mr25391wee.2.1273255086360; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p18si2863439wbc.4.2010.05.07.10.58.05; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so932217wwb.40 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.166.8 with SMTP id f8mr245849wel.182.1273255084974; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:58:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:58:04 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163641747b0c6549048604cd77 --00163641747b0c6549048604cd77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > May I suggest a lujvo involving gasnu? > > gasnu gau "do" "x1 [person/agent] is an agentive cause of event x2; *x1 > > does/brings about x2*" > > > > For example: > > gauju'o - g1=3Dd1 knows how to bring about g2=3Dd2 > > You could do that, but it would be a non-compositional lujvo. 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2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.com>=
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> May I suggest a lujvo involving gasnu?
> gasnu gau "do" "x1 [person/agent] is an agentive cause = of event x2; *x1
> does/brings about x2*"
>
> For example:
> gauju'o - g1=3Dd1 knows how to bring about g2=3Dd2

You could do that, but it would be a non-compositional lujvo. You
cannot explain the meaning of that "gauju'o" in terms of &quo= t;djuno", you
have to rely on the English gloss. It does not mean "ko'a djuno lo=
du'u ko'a gasnu ko'e" or anything like that.

I would= n't be trying to explain gauju'o in terms of djuno. I would explain= it in terms of gasnu.
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mu'o mi'e xorxes

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