From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC4rZHfBBoEnXO6xw@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 11:09:35 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARzM-0004T5-Lk; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:09:33 -0700 Received: by pvg6 with SMTP id 6sf333503pvg.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:09:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kytEvQLAL0rzhHRxfzCUmGDAVlUxkz4PLigNCXgZNFE=; b=OrPJZivYJRIrVprywgqiuiDkmEvvw//WwJ7uXXLMQAu6Ds7h9rvexh4Pc7ipXUoAoh 45wwvXNwxj/FWD1mrkU6z6bAeqntEPzQluS0IqRdyFEn0ST2uxUTtK4pDkTiNlDeVuzh 2iGQxwmS0cH2SdQoH6WNIxk+EZjeSReRS3CCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SdYyXFNnWNUODtjWPw+yZqHCMXMOYnt5Ce6k4v8sLeIjMRCx0ol3RsQaVVhBTq1lt6 kimIHK8yASeUvTubQZbqjBjZjzzHqE4C8cXRDTet8mYSOTodiSb/k91BNdktZLqU/QUK VH8R0cFuL5TnwZdxeC9V2snjxATUZtfRC8yT8= Received: by 10.142.66.26 with SMTP id o26mr27424wfa.34.1273255608284; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.250.36 with SMTP id x36ls8987868wfh.2.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.27.38 with SMTP id e38mr11773wfj.43.1273255606123; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.27.38 with SMTP id e38mr11772wfj.43.1273255606086; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f51.google.com (mail-vw0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e19si1875747wam.0.2010.05.07.11.06.44; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.51; Received: by mail-vw0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 5so344262vws.10 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.203 with SMTP id hv11mr298083qcb.46.1273255603696; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:06:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >> > May I suggest a lujvo involving gasnu? >> > gasnu gau "do" "x1 [person/agent] is an agentive cause of event x2; *x= 1 >> > does/brings about x2*" >> > >> > For example: >> > gauju'o - g1=3Dd1 knows how to bring about g2=3Dd2 >> >> You could do that, but it would be a non-compositional lujvo. You >> cannot explain the meaning of that "gauju'o" in terms of "djuno", you >> have to rely on the English gloss. It does not mean "ko'a djuno lo >> du'u ko'a gasnu ko'e" or anything like that. >> > I wouldn't be trying to explain gauju'o in terms of djuno. I would explai= n > it in terms of gasnu. (BTW, it should be "gaurju'o") OK, what would the explanation be (in Lojban)? And why would you use "djuno" as part of the lujvo if it plays no role in explaining the meaning of the lujvo? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.