From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDZ0ZHfBBoElCR9hA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:24:32 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAT9t-0001RB-Mq; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:31 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf635158wyb.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SoNBDzVkjMf6keljj8BIXuNT+dxX1HX17o71/B/Xa6Q=; b=pcDO/2l8+YjYGUa2E30qhmKshButHiizAL1az3CiXmX7CndkePE88BSkvIV5mg5Ulx CqbmMeEbE3xoaq6Q2BX1AahhZeLk1h4pZ+71G4jzbh7LQlIZdSc4zjnaMpvTGVPIL5lF UJVsomz3rbhI0NStg3vLP+r8RnVTWHp6rEg/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0y2EmaM8OQcvoF4eIulMrlQAfFVQDDBV/8kTHoZTjAlvxSubQHu2mDR8BCPk31/uB/ VD21kO+NOeIZUOmheRLvuDsbvlcsmrm3tfbOp1p2zTOTCtK6EsQII5TXN6wSvJ0AjtMt 17uAZYbxEX/WbAidBxkSPLdSzkTjdh2GiYe5E= Received: by 10.223.5.152 with SMTP id 24mr57849fav.34.1273260249663; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.109.160 with SMTP id j32ls6177795wbp.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.145 with SMTP id j17mr36813wbt.24.1273260246441; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.145 with SMTP id j17mr36812wbt.24.1273260246389; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1si2157824wbg.6.2010.05.07.12.24.05; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by mail-ww0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 26so351602wwf.28 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.161.84 with SMTP id v62mr356588wek.58.1273260245178; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:24:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363ba18c9edb8d0486060096 --0016363ba18c9edb8d0486060096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and tadj= i, > > using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'e se > > gasnu} > > That comes out as: > > "x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about" > Yes. 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2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>= ;
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and tad= ji,
> using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lon= u ko'e se
> gasnu}

That comes out as:

"x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about"= ;

Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is a met= hod) to do x2"

> What would {ko'a jungau ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} be in= English?

"x1 tells/makes known to x2 fact(s) x3 (du'u) about subject = x4 by
epistemology x5."

Lujvo ending in -gau are very regular, they normally mean x1 makes
(whatever the other part is) happen.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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