From lojban+bncCJuP2OfEBBCH0pHfBBoEiP6EUw@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:25:17 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OATAd-0001XO-Lr; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:25:16 -0700 Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17sf571450wwi.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:25:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4/GCMGwFdu4g3PxsAzTDphuWYn0Fp3bjS5nKSaPEHzc=; b=UOjdtByuHjC4yGmeRAxbTz3KSAL401StBmSiJ6wxy1SmlOtLBDZVwqHf5ba/tTQ1+l aq8uNUJ02YkaAbjFKegC9kNDSxwDNNljZiALjNBAz8vXaev5QNWrPAvZ6/t6VQ8LxDmO W/w6l98X3WhfN7j0o/j8iI15T75dpeKvxpnDc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=r0FQ5iUHpqwV5IzKUbP4U+pfm15MN8Q/DWZl3ODxBS37LyqH0NFU0pqiQ/nNHKacXd Rxxgn6SieVFHuPB6aGleNlwVeyqU4SjP0BSovFk8RFzVIjCBOyD58d6OL3w1wn3Qd4TQ ulPaRZZ7ngv6I+yM/5G52B6749ooD7GpeDU28= Received: by 10.223.15.141 with SMTP id k13mr65357faa.16.1273260295902; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.70.78 with SMTP id c14ls2733405ebj.2.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.6 with SMTP id q6mr77442ebe.25.1273260293534; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.6 with SMTP id q6mr77441ebe.25.1273260293458; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si184334ewy.10.2010.05.07.12.24.52; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamgarrigus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by mail-vw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 12so40826vws.40 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.108.41 with SMTP id d41mr352340vcp.60.1273260291788; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.44.206 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamgarrigus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamgarrigus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8c25246611f104860603c2 --00c09f8c25246611f104860603c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The x1 of {rinka} is an event. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > hmm, I've often wondered about that. What exactly is the difference > between {cikygau} and {cikyri'a}? > > I have always understood {-gau} to mean that some agent does the {-} bit > while {-ri'a} means that some agent merely causes {-} to happen, not > necessarily having a part in the activity of {-}. > > 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >> >> > >> > Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and >> tadji, >> > using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'e s= e >> > gasnu} >> >> That comes out as: >> >> "x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about" >> >> > What would {ko'a jungau ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} be in English? >> >> "x1 tells/makes known to x2 fact(s) x3 (du'u) about subject x4 by >> epistemology x5." >> >> Lujvo ending in -gau are very regular, they normally mean x1 makes >> (whatever the other part is) happen. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f8c25246611f104860603c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The x1 of {rinka} is an event.

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Luke = Bergen <lukea= bergen@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, I've often wondered about that. =A0What exactly is the difference = between {cikygau} and {cikyri'a}?

I have always unde= rstood {-gau} to mean that some agent does the {-} bit while {-ri'a} me= ans that some agent merely causes {-} to happen, not necessarily having a p= art in the activity of {-}.

2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas = <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and tad= ji,
> using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lon= u ko'e se
> gasnu}

That comes out as:

"x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about"= ;

> What would {ko'a jungau ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} be in= English?

"x1 tells/makes known to x2 fact(s) x3 (du'u) about subject = x4 by
epistemology x5."

Lujvo ending in -gau are very regular, they normally mean x1 makes
(whatever the other part is) happen.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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