From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCU1JHfBBoEdSkd9A@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:29:45 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OATEy-0001q4-CF; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:45 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf636527wyb.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=W76lgHHUOHLPqA87LdeWzXbknTyagTe1dgEAq2+h0wI=; b=qILNEFNZZXHouiQRIvYc8ouFcbitHEGg2Ac5asBWGtcEZfa5dnBtFy5y80igkk9idN 9d36FmS+NyozXWIGQ5Y3wQmiDHynyrt5F0E482f6AjsgNkuiNnzYO5/qbcTWW4oLqmjG qVIyQnbcSHuUrGkqsvCfHGu7yGneWP8Mkx/S4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ef0vGXS9PGNjy+i1aoaLnd6kWa6+M/gL2ksFExXG8vUQgIIDnnEHHxux/s+enGnKZ1 ZfpJ1VKu8IAuImLsgDnkIGSULRuc8ySeRZj7/vosWfT1jkVzBt1HKYn7bcJtiEJYCrZ4 7LwHeK2DJoDHxl8jsj5FXXh9j8cmECW1Hv2qg= Received: by 10.223.5.69 with SMTP id 5mr69195fau.12.1273260564442; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.109.160 with SMTP id j32ls6183016wbp.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.145 with SMTP id j17mr37216wbt.24.1273260562765; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.134.145 with SMTP id j17mr37215wbt.24.1273260562709; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f176.google.com (mail-wy0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1si2964204wbg.2.2010.05.07.12.29.21; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.176; Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20so1148747wye.7 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.184.144 with SMTP id s16mr348872wem.125.1273260561520; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:29:21 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364c782579d7480486061379 --0016364c782579d7480486061379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, komfo,amonan wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and >>> tadji, >>> > using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'e = se >>> > gasnu} >>> >>> That comes out as: >>> >>> "x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about" >>> >> >> Yes. 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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, komfo,am= onan <komfoam= onan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:24 PM= , Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjll= ambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and tad= ji,
> using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lon= u ko'e se
> gasnu}

That comes out as:

"x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about"= ;

Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is= a method) to do x2"

There = is arguably a difference in knowing the method for doing something, & a= ctually knowing how to do it, i.e., how to implement the method. It may be = too slim a difference to matter.

As far as I'm concerned, it is too sl= im, especially as I've no idea of a better way to say "how", = than "a method for".

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