From lojban+bncCJuP2OfEBBDy1pHfBBoEt8I51A@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:35:37 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f153.google.com ([209.85.221.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OATKb-0002ZC-Qq; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:36 -0700 Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17sf752199qyk.21 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WpAmItMXwnDAwxKk7JlHnET/WvOLwLeuAIjDIIm5vys=; b=xwbBAqQa4muIl0+AxplNF/KZXoQEsqcBdCwS6ZuN3vWdZpqOsq+JZE8NWpjtpEje31 8IOllozzb7z84Y/Yq3g92QIEsQhDpVEBw30crr1v2KMC3kGPT1cECthLAnCB2gS79okW Qri40MkgdcbZZodIu3JvexWgSKkySwS/9MKtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=w9wsCEXW9iaBDMdnZSnujQ4m0I4rmjXIIF+eB995krrG2dVAfKIhhIs9Hg401F25V8 4SSUTx3KJMmy+FuLiY+l+7W3KrAnU87EJAKHEnyIZItLbh9lnUoGAIbc1CkjyurAQtmm lqdZM0YqYh+pcDmZgDWgAxNdJVXpXjBv9a3PM= Received: by 10.229.52.37 with SMTP id f37mr27609qcg.34.1273260914114; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.36.157 with SMTP id t29ls4947695qad.2.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.87.224 with SMTP id x32mr38318qal.25.1273260912580; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.87.224 with SMTP id x32mr38317qal.25.1273260912536; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si533228qyk.1.2010.05.07.12.35.11; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamgarrigus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so412230vws.7 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.4 with SMTP id z4mr325691vco.147.1273260910984; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.44.206 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamgarrigus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamgarrigus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f971e7e4e50e304860628ea --00c09f971e7e4e50e304860628ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and >>> tadji, >>> > using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'e = se >>> > gasnu} >>> >>> That comes out as: >>> >>> "x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about" >>> >> >> Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is a method) to do x2" >> > > I suppose I should amend my suggestion to juntadjigau.... > Generally speaking, a deep structure of {djuno lo du'u tadji lo nu se gasnu= } would yield something more like {gaurtadjyju'o}. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f971e7e4e50e304860628ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM= , Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjll= ambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and tad= ji,
> using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lon= u ko'e se
> gasnu}

That comes out as:

"x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about"= ;

Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is= a method) to do x2"

I supp= ose I should amend my suggestion to juntadjigau....

Generally speaking, a deep structure of = {djuno lo du'u tadji lo nu se gasnu} would yield something more like {g= aurtadjyju'o}.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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