From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDm35HfBBoEiM1GkA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:54:36 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OATd1-0003dA-7K; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:36 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf644414wyb.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CQ5nwRkjW41swRBBX2VWRlHfKHGIxV93L8yJtMEmKpE=; b=kgegyvYgpMJoqv/nHBpoT9bTn+3C5n55yRb1pt197+4sNChlaR9NFwZ2Ndo+JYTWHk Q9TTzsupbYVqCYDnsxKQVtZxWegaWnteBXQ0og1CKBKe/emB7VX6rI5knBsq10lhtAb1 JxQb3sbgjwK1wQ6nMlVXat1oMEYg9l+rg9nvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=upDpphFjCW3pv/an/iBE2uBAmRWo5f6rM0gAVoHpVuGEARG07YixT78QoVo/Xw384Q LPVkbfpAP5L/aLgJFG36MxSbl+aIsVX2S/uJlzWVeJWqIcGFUx4HHFUAEhzZUUmFfGkV WqnNZghPHo5RJTfS1HySYJvsQuW3bIwpNSe9g= Received: by 10.223.81.194 with SMTP id y2mr66593fak.29.1273262054561; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.37.82 with SMTP id w18ls6352678wbd.3.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.205 with SMTP id g13mr40101wbt.8.1273262052118; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.205 with SMTP id g13mr40100wbt.8.1273262052067; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p18si2981037wbc.4.2010.05.07.12.54.10; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by mail-ww0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 22so1078185wwb.26 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.130 with SMTP id e2mr340829wef.210.1273262050195; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:54:10 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db29793538600486066c83 --0016e6db29793538600486066c83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, komfo,amonan wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >> >>> >>> >>> 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> >>>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and >>>> tadji, >>>> > using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'e >>>> se >>>> > gasnu} >>>> >>>> That comes out as: >>>> >>>> "x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about" >>>> >>> >>> Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is a method) to do x2" >>> >> >> I suppose I should amend my suggestion to juntadjigau.... >> > > Generally speaking, a deep structure of {djuno lo du'u tadji lo nu se > gasnu} would yield something more like {gaurtadjyju'o}. > > I'm doing it backwards again, aren't I? I have this really nasty habit of putting the words together in the exact wrong order when I'm making lujvo. I'm guessing this is malglico thinking on my part. In such a case, I'm going with the original gau(r)ju'o, because I like shor= t words and I think it's safe to leave {tadji} out of the lujvo. > > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, komfo,am= onan <komfoam= onan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM= , Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjll= ambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and tad= ji,
> using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lon= u ko'e se
> gasnu}

That comes out as:

"x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about"= ;

Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is= a method) to do x2"

I supp= ose I should amend my suggestion to juntadjigau....

Generally speaking, a deep structu= re of {djuno lo du'u tadji lo nu se gasnu} would yield something more l= ike {gaurtadjyju'o}.

I'= ;m doing it backwards again, aren't I? I have this really nasty habit o= f putting the words together in the exact wrong order when I'm making l= ujvo. I'm guessing this is malglico thinking on my part.

In such a case, I'm going with the original gau(r)ju'o, because= I like short words and I think it's safe to leave {tadji} out of the l= ujvo.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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