From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDcrZPfBBoEDwidFw@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 20:13:54 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAaU7-0006Ee-RN; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:54 -0700 Received: by pvg6 with SMTP id 6sf408638pvg.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4LpjAp4o5Pd/CXPc39v9jFg2JEoxmpp56G3WdHHFU/o=; b=5cbXsAwyYtGuFfmDcC6N/4l7TapXYLSMGn/HKud7Q1Mk1Er0h2k7FBrurdxOuadeCh DMOmrAtDhVmRK0CyQhGJ5T3RZ4n2Pqd8RciSbr77yQNQsTia4LMtSLPdpvZh2+/tx4FG F+Tkhzsg2IS7WgevBoCmBMdtlf54tPVyqEvDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LesOrDS8hGwS4FOIuNFAIklt+qpfm68NqPZMwPgdMfu4nHo/xLlFFUbSCdKaI8/FOE 2cY6a43kS4FNrQ94Cl57dGSSesEtg+f3NHKRW1aS3s4IGymzgLkxttbmn/L1a3wUdsQf rAA3JNGvaSOphgA93U+djiYigMO2x5eJhTvQc= Received: by 10.142.247.9 with SMTP id u9mr54149wfh.30.1273288412412; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls9926999wfh.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.209.19 with SMTP id h19mr57534wfg.46.1273288411168; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.209.19 with SMTP id h19mr57533wfg.46.1273288411130; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si494812pzk.3.2010.05.07.20.13.30; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.174; Received: by pxi5 with SMTP id 5so823750pxi.33 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.85.35 with SMTP id n35mr636300wal.227.1273288409973; Fri, 07 May 2010 20:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.211.16 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 20:13:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 23:13:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64dc9865f84a504860c8fdf --0016e64dc9865f84a504860c8fdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "gaurju'o" looks like it's based on the tanru "gasnu djuno", which is a kin= d of knowing, not a kind of doing/effecting. stevo On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, komfo,amonan wrot= e: > >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >> >>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Jones wrot= e: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasnu, djuno, and >>>>> tadji, >>>>> > using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'= e >>>>> se >>>>> > gasnu} >>>>> >>>>> That comes out as: >>>>> >>>>> "x1 knows that (something) is a method for x2 to be brought about" >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is a method) to do x2" >>>> >>> >>> I suppose I should amend my suggestion to juntadjigau.... >>> >> >> Generally speaking, a deep structure of {djuno lo du'u tadji lo nu se >> gasnu} would yield something more like {gaurtadjyju'o}. >> >> I'm doing it backwards again, aren't I? I have this really nasty habit o= f > putting the words together in the exact wrong order when I'm making lujvo= . > I'm guessing this is malglico thinking on my part. > > In such a case, I'm going with the original gau(r)ju'o, because I like > short words and I think it's safe to leave {tadji} out of the lujvo. > >> >> mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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"gaurju'o" looks like it's based on the tanru "= gasnu djuno", which is a kind of knowing, not a kind of doing/effectin= g.
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stevo

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:


On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, komfo,amonan <komfoa= monan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:


2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:=20

>
> Attempting this, I find I can only do this using gasn= u, djuno, and tadji,
> using djuno as the main bridi: {ko'a djuno= lodu'u tadji be lonu ko'e se
> gasnu}

That comes out as:

"x1 knows that (something) is a method = for x2 to be brought about"

Yes. "x1 knows how (that something is a method) to do x2"= ;

I suppose I should amend my suggestion to juntadjigau....

Generally speaking, a deep structure of= {djuno lo du'u tadji lo nu se gasnu} would yield something more like {= gaurtadjyju'o}.=20

I'm doing it backwards again, aren't I? I have this really nas= ty habit of putting the words together in the exact wrong order when I'= m making lujvo. I'm guessing this is malglico thinking on my part.

In such a case, I'm going with the original gau(r)ju'o, because= I like short words and I think it's safe to leave {tadji} out of the l= ujvo.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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