From lojban+bncCNuStaWoDxDJlJXfBBoE-6En_g@googlegroups.com Sat May 08 04:26:22 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAiAi-0001PY-Te; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:26:22 -0700 Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17sf792307wwi.16 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jjdxBwa5Plti9PkS3GIw7go1zj/Tf8soKH9vjg+pvuM=; b=hGBskvW9SHO0h1Q1QLqz/h6TCtB7OsKdQCfpZizXRnTNV8qWr67bw1X7tuov1707fV ACJQjAm2aX+xJqPYaAjAdVcQUBM+xr0/AXLpF/7kO/3ilacwM+8k+fGyMGkx6bIbWt1l 6La2cTaUqwQGStAdIHtedZlNdAnH3YDEj2s5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=0BlT8QXnyrDxydbCFN0ga4NFo5g5APqXYGF8VPj6bFo61XI6spGc4uD2FnIyRrIxzm R3AUaO6XZyTjgX3jIBH1w2WnnqiVvDeYAusEnLx4xcWBNfazDEubbuf7GRrNe44lVQkJ et+FGuLuoSj8SaPv2IYlD8gyaENLeYvks5mJ0= Received: by 10.223.65.7 with SMTP id g7mr152644fai.8.1273317962004; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:26:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.87.4 with SMTP id u4ls6490781wbl.2.p; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.2 with SMTP id d2mr85481wbt.18.1273317960169; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.2 with SMTP id d2mr85480wbt.18.1273317960148; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p33si3798718wba.3.2010.05.08.04.25.59; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.46; Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so560059wwa.5 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.3 with SMTP id f3mr1208246wbv.211.1273317958892; Sat, 08 May 2010 04:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (87-194-76-9.bethere.co.uk [87.194.76.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z33sm23422257wbd.7.2010.05.08.04.25.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 May 2010 04:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BE54A44.9040802@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 12:25:56 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 07/05/2010 17:34: > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> I'm not sure how to say "persuade"; there's a translation in >> jbovlaste, but it's for "persuade that something is true", not "persuade= to >> do something". >=20 > Similarly: >=20 > djuno: know that something is true > ????: know how to do something >=20 > facki: find out that something is true > ????: find out how to do something >=20 > cilre: learn that something is true > ????: learn to do something >=20 > ctuca: teach that something is true > ????: teach to do something >=20 > morji: remember that something is true > ????: remember to do something >=20 > jdice: decide that something is true > ????: decide to do something "persuade" is "cause to decide", where "decide" means "come to believe" or = "come to intend". (IIRC, there is no good gismu for "intend".) =20 > Solve one and maybe you will solve them all. These mostly involve not an alternating pair but an alternating triple: A: know that something is true B: know how to do something C: know to do something A: find out that something is true B: find out how to do something C: ----- A: learn that something is true B: learn (how) to do something C: learn to do something A: teach that something is true B: teach (how) to do something C: teach to do something A: remember that something is true B: remember how to do something C: remember to do something A: decide that something is true B: decide how to do something C: decide to do something --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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