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Subject: Re: [lojban] Named multiples
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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:14 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I understand that. What I'm failing to see in spite of my 3 years of
> Lojban experience is how a listener (not a reader) is supposed to recognise
> the 'pause after the final consonant' of a cmevla. How exactly is the pause
> supposed to be realised orally, so as to differentiate the sequence of
> sounds "min.ci" from "minci"?

A glottal stop, or an actual pause.

But this difficulty is independent of whether the grammar of cmevla is
extended or not. It already exists with the grammar as it is.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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