From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCmx5ffBBoEiDbeOw@googlegroups.com Sat May 08 15:20:42 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAsNx-0005nU-4B; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:42 -0700 Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12sf63008vws.16 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LCfsOw2AmJAoR7o05g1i3YF+MiI+vkLbZG/aiIbg4dk=; b=VgNF/0CR5v2zn8Q/13+az2Fic121qeqFZsoh7yTJ9V/7crW3Z4Ys/oqtasQrw/u7pG K8+VssKaHbxTC/0WK7HG/Zwk23IZIacHO5Zj9hkWJ7WRZ847lHkPwsSoKaJr2eRwD4k7 HeuHxsErZRdyXgHJ4sCMXYWh7kUj8SM1znfpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R5FoGtfirt+jUkum9NzoOgJd5Y+00UEbJ7pqXZK2chvl7mAy5MQBZZhzqW0tlhkw3R t6+XYkOHQdFNHe4OhgWrdGj2gCTGjj6ovy37TBMglx2MhCjgMzk2vgCUInohn/Fywmez DYfcBJiSaOMqWlakO8Vrhpp8CeCNvMUL27AHI= Received: by 10.220.107.101 with SMTP id a37mr140468vcp.13.1273357222497; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls11287450vcf.5.p; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.91.203 with SMTP id o11mr614065vcm.16.1273357221573; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.91.203 with SMTP id o11mr614064vcm.16.1273357221548; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com (mail-qy0-f189.google.com [209.85.221.189]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b14si4242644vcx.5.2010.05.08.15.20.20; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.189 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.189; Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so2488529qyk.23 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.131 with SMTP id cc3mr652035qcb.53.1273357220148; Sat, 08 May 2010 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Sat, 8 May 2010 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201005062238.58059.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:20:20 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The North Wind and the Sun From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:48 AM, tijlan wrote: > > Then why not create a new place structure out of these two? > > =C2=A0zu'epla > =C2=A0p1=3Dz1 intends p2=3Dz3 If p2 can be a computer program, I'm not sure how it can be an intention too. If p3 is the intention, where do p2 and z2 go? But I won't claim to understand "platu". > =C2=A0dasuan 0.36 (zho: =E6=89=93=E7=AE=97 | d=C7=8Esuan ) > =C2=A0irada 0.21 (hin: =E0=A4=87=E0=A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A6=E0=A4=BE | ir= =C4=81d=C4=81 ) > =C2=A0intend 0.16 (eng: intend) > =C2=A0intension 0.11 (spa: intenci=C3=B3n ) > =C2=A0namerevatsa 0.09 (rus: =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B2= =D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C=D1=81=D1=8F | namerev=C3=A1t=E2=80=99sja ) > =C2=A0kasada 0.07 (ara: =D9=82=D8=B5=D8=AF | qaSada ) > > =C2=A0(The Hindi and the Spanish are nouns because I didn't know and coul= dn't > find its verb form. There's no simple verb for that in Spanish, we would say "tener la intenci=C3=B3n de". There is however the cognate "intentar", which means try/attempt. Which makes me wonder, whether there is any difference between "troci" and "zukte" other than switching their x2/x3: troci =3D setese zukte? zukte =3D setese troci? > =C2=A0drasa 0.434 Sounds good. I'll try to remember it next time I need "intends". One word I had trouble translating recently was "x1 accedes to do x2" (and it's opposite "x1 refuses to do x2"). These could be: "ko'a spuda lo nu ko'a te cpedu lo nu ko'a gasnu ko'e kei ko'i kei lo nu ko'a drasa lo nu ko'a gasnu ko'e" "x1 responds to being requested to do x2 by x3 with the intention to do x2" "x1 accedes to do x2 (for x3)" "ko'a spuda lo nu ko'a te cpedu lo nu ko'a gasnu ko'e kei ko'i kei lo nu ko'a drasa lo nu ko'a na gasnu ko'e" "x1 responds to being requested to do x2 by x3 with the intention to not do= x2" "x1 refuses to do x2 (for x3)" I don't know whether "drasyspu", "nardrasyspu" would be clear enough though= . Any better ideas? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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