From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDk54LhBBoEhVeNzQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 22 06:10:01 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f158.google.com ([209.85.211.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OR3Ee-00045l-2g; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:10:01 -0700 Received: by ywh30 with SMTP id 30sf8035643ywh.25 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:09:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sTyiwra8NBaKVHPc9YlGofe1PUrpKy0nVld/OgdLQoM=; b=NWIdsJit+FVvrlK/G7giyl7NlljDaRmRceglatbpXoWBSkk4N/sJXaI8HuVWXmMPye pi4lW4RJ4Du+jnV9kwX/Dp/pP34xEf/WzqZUafQnBvOD0q4mfFuU917AYEnvhJb3xzNC llWhYoIEbKJ+idGwT3IEANfyEP7A/IvfOMq/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ICnC6jtbv3kiqPZwcid5QZr9jLFTgkfU20WM+gyq3hgb24Ers58JjLGB4zE7ZmiYX0 tl9RawKkGFebNVZOjz3dQvAAdqG1kvDJ7EQPmrnoqVfnyNZROPLRvZwXE9o66mB8WhTb yaMPR4sR4MziXN+fRn9uz68/Bij/deSXPTi/k= Received: by 10.151.62.40 with SMTP id p40mr541829ybk.14.1277211620994; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.145.32 with SMTP id x32ls988888ann.0.p; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.243.31 with SMTP id q31mr3170326anh.21.1277211620146; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.243.31 with SMTP id q31mr3170325anh.21.1277211620120; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f178.google.com (mail-gy0-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a2si11055015anj.3.2010.06.22.06.00.19; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.178; Received: by mail-gy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 3so2625825gyh.9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.223.194 with SMTP id il2mr3247361qcb.281.1277211618827; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.190.201 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:00:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201006161600.44280.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Warrigal wrote: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Brockman wrote: >> The priority should be to invent a way to talk about these atoms, >> molecules, compounds, etc., using clear, compositional expressions. > > Gosh, if only there were some international union of pure and applied > chemistry, composed of experts from all over the world, who could > invent such a nomenclature. We could just use names like, oh, "methyl > (1R,2R,3S,5S)-3-(benzoyloxy)-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1] > octane-2-carboxylate". Except that's in English, so Lojbanize it and > you get "metil (1R,2R,3S,5S)-3-(benzoilaksi)-8-metil-8-azabisaiklo[3.2.1] > aktein-2-karbaksileit". But wait, that might not be a valid fu'ivla. > Hmm. > > --a sarcastic uorygl (aka Warrigal) > Cutting through your sarcasm,we lojbanize with la'o xuk. methyl (1R,2R,3S,5S)-3-(benzoyloxy)-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1] octane-2-carboxylate xuk. And I absolutely one hundred percent agree. There is ZERO reason for these bizarre proposals. Different things have different names.. The assertion by lojdis "The problem is that all elements are in one periodic system....it's hard to remember all those words " holds no water. You could, oh, I don't know, make the same assertion about animals, saying that they should all start with "danly", etc. Hard to remember all those words? Umm.. Sorry to burst your bubble.. but learning ANY language requires learning vocabulary. Nothing wrong with that. It seems to me that you would really rather learn John Wilkins' Real Character, rather than lojban.. enjoy. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.